Plane down on Lopez Island ??

[BulletsRockts&MissilesOhMy]

San Juan sheriffs office reported a plane crash along with a TFR in the area for awhile...witnesses reported a mooney (possibly an M20J) went into a spin and then into the trees NW of Lopez airport w/2 fatalities. Any missing MS'rs in the PNW??   

Edited August 3, 2018 by BulletsRockts&MissilesOhMy

[kortopates]

I guess the only good news is that they're not reporting any fatalities - just "The conditions of the pilot and passenger have not been released yet":

http://kgmi.com/news/007700-plane-carrying-2-goes-down-in-san-juans/

 Also here are the last 18 hrs of metars for nearby Friday Harbor Island which cover last night.  

KFHR 031453Z AUTO 00000KT 6SM HZ OVC033 14/11 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP185 T01440111 53008 TSNO
KFHR 031353Z AUTO 00000KT 5SM BR OVC033 13/11 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP183 T01330111 TSNO
KFHR 031253Z AUTO 23006KT 3SM BR SCT031 13/11 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP178 T01280106 TSNO
KFHR 031153Z AUTO 25007KT 5SM BR CLR 12/11 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP177 T01220106 10139 20122 53001 TSNO
KFHR 031053Z AUTO VRB04KT 6SM HZ FEW041 13/10 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP177 T01280100 TSNO
KFHR 030953Z AUTO 21003KT 8SM BKN039 13/10 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP174 T01280100 TSNO
KFHR 030853Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM OVC036 14/11 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP176 T01390106 50002 TSNO
KFHR 030753Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM OVC035 14/11 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP177 T01390106 402110128 TSNO
KFHR 030653Z AUTO 22004KT 7SM BKN035 OVC045 13/11 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP175 T01330106 TSNO
KFHR 030553Z AUTO 23006KT 7SM OVC031 14/11 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP174 T01390106 10200 20139 50000 TSNO
KFHR 030453Z AUTO 23006KT 8SM BKN043 OVC050 16/11 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP175 T01560106 TSNO
KFHR 030353Z AUTO 22006KT 8SM OVC042 16/11 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP173 T01610106 TSNO
KFHR 030253Z AUTO 22004KT 7SM OVC043 17/11 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP174 T01720111 58005 TSNO
KFHR 030153Z AUTO 22007KT 7SM OVC043 18/11 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP176 T01780111 TSNO
KFHR 030053Z AUTO 22007KT 7SM OVC043 18/12 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP177 T01780117 TSNO
KFHR 022353Z AUTO 20010KT 7SM SCT035 OVC046 20/12 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP178 T02000117 10211 20167 58005 TSNO
KFHR 022253Z AUTO 20008KT 7SM OVC043 19/12 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP182 T01940117 TSNO

[thinwing]

Black hole effect?

[BulletsRockts&MissilesOhMy]

Update from Dan Schwartz...

Last night, our islands' aviation family suffered a heartbreaking loss. SJPA Treasurer David King and our Vice President Lou Coleman were aboard David's Mooney when it suffered a fatal accident at Lopez Island Airport (for yet to be determined reasons.)

We are all shocked and saddened by this news. They were our friends and colleagues and our prayers are with their families at this time.

Dan

-- 
Capt. Daniel S. Schwartz, President,
San Juan Pilots Association

[DonMuncy]

So sorry for your loss.

[kortopates]

Some additional info and news links here: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=214012 

Looking at the N number on Flightaware it shows a similar flight into FHR, but its back from May.  

[FLYFST]

Sorry to hear the terrible news.


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[carusoam]

Prayers for the lost Mooney airmen...

-a-

[Bob_Belville]

@mike_elliott...

[mike_elliott]

3 hours ago, BulletsRockts&MissilesOhMy said:

Update from Dan Schwartz...
Last night, our islands' aviation family suffered a heartbreaking loss. SJPA Treasurer David King and our Vice President Lou Coleman were aboard David's Mooney when it suffered a fatal accident at Lopez Island Airport (for yet to be determined reasons.)

We are all shocked and saddened by this news. They were our friends and colleagues and our prayers are with their families at this time.

Dan

-- 
Capt. Daniel S. Schwartz, President,
San Juan Pilots Association

@BulletsRockts&MissilesOhMy

 

Dan, On behalf of the Mooney Summit, if you can provide me David's and Lou Coleman's surviving family contact info, I will engage the Bill Gilliland foundation to reach out for support. We are saddened to hear this and offer our heart felt condolences and prayers.

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[M20C_AV8R]

Close to where I live and fly into often , did not know these folks but it is sad to hear this happened, and flying into Lopez can be a little tricky and lots of shifting wind, but will leave the reasoning as to why with the NTSB. God speed Mooney brothers 

 

http://sanjuanislander.com/obituary/27752/david-king-of-san-juan-island-dies-in-lopez-island-plane-crash

[ValkyrieRider]

Very sad news, that any pilot goes down, even more so for Mooney Pilots.  Prayers go to families and friends that have suffered this loss.  

[MrRodgers]

So very sad to learn of this tragic accident.  My thoughts are with the families and friends of those lost in the crash.

 

[Jerry 5TJ]

In the early 1980s  I was a newly graduated EE & worked at TRW for Dave King.   He was a sharp guy & influential in development of IFM receivers used in airborne EW.  

Dave was a Mooney 201 owner at the time & I talked flying with him occasionally.  When I started flying again in my 30s it was his enthusiasm for Mooney that led me to buy my first airplane, an E model. 

[Jerry 5TJ]

NTSB Preliminarily Report

N56039 NTSB

 

[Marauder]

NTSB Preliminarily Report
N56039 NTSB
 

Wow Jerry! That sounds like a classic base to final stall. I wonder if he was practicing emergency landings and got too aggressive.


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[Jerry 5TJ]

2 minutes ago, Marauder said:

.....sounds like a classic base to final stall. I wonder if he was practicing emergency landings and got too aggressive.

For me the question is: Just how does a pilot with decades of Mooney time,  with a seasoned CFI beside him, get into uncoordinated slow flight at low altitude?  

Ernie Gann, once again, said it well: “In this game, we play for keeps.”  

 

[Marauder]

For me the question is: Just how does a pilot with decades of Mooney time,  with a seasoned CFI beside him, get into uncoordinated slow flight at low altitude?  
Ernie Gann, once again, said it well: “In this game, we play for keeps.”  
 

Overconfidence. The instructor I fly with for IPC and flight reviews pushes the envelope at times forcing me to remind him that he is pushing the envelope.

We are indeed sticking our hand into the mouth of the alligator. One slight brush of the tongue is all it takes.


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[Jerry 5TJ]

2 minutes ago, Marauder said:

...The instructor I fly with for IPC and flight reviews pushes the envelope at times forcing me to remind him that he is pushing the envelope...

 

Maybe your guy thinks that you are in the simulator.  Or forgets you aren’t. 

[Marauder]

Maybe your guy thinks that you are in the simulator.  Or forgets you aren’t. 

Nah, I think with all of the hours he has in Mooneys, he is just plain overconfident at times.

I read the accident reports from time to time. Being a high time pilot doesn’t make you immune to accidents. I think you need to keep your guard up. Ernie is correct.

I always view flying as something that is trying to kill me and my job is to make sure that doesn’t happen.


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[flyboy0681]

Very sad. Even more sad when I looked and discovered that the serial number was two more than mine.

[MyNameIsNobody]

The only time I bent metal was with an instructor doing something they directed me to do...Simulating an emergency loss of power in pattern.  This also killed a high time Mooney test pilot up with another pilot (stall on base to final turn).  If this maneuver is killing pilots with experience levels that make me look like what I am (a rank amateur). I am NOT doing a 45 degree bank in pattern while low and slow.  Fly safe.  Your plane during instruction...

[orionflt]

people tend to forget that stall speed goes up as you increase your bank angle, but the increase is not linear. a standard rate turn only increases stall speed by 5% IE 50kts stall speed becomes 52kts. but you bring the turn to 45 degrees that stall speed jumps to 60 kt, add a few more degrees and your stall speed is your normal final approach speeds.

Brian

[Yetti]

You can do a power off landing with 30 degree bank turns.  Get flaps in before you go below 90mph