m20m transition and training

[pkofman]

Does anyone know of someone who can assist with some transition training

I should have the m20m in a few weeks

I have about 400 hours in a  m20j and 100 in a m20k..

The problem is that it has been a long time since i have flown type and I've spent the last several year flying a 182 g1000 

( the m20m is steam ).. Im in Toronto Canada

thoughts   . Peter

 

[Ron McBride]

Don Kaye. Donkaye.com

 

[LANCECASPER]

4 minutes ago, N803RM said:

Don Kaye. Donkaye.com

 

+1   Don has flown his M20M for many years now and has more time in an M20M than probably any other instructor around. He did an excellent seminar in Kerrville on Friday.

[carusoam]

Transition Training is the right thing to do.  

Don is not only the right guy for Mooney TT on the West Coast, but he is an M20M owner as well...

Many of the known Mooney transition trainers are listed in known places.  Mapa is a good resource.

Best regards,

-a-

 

[Danb]

Check out the Mooney flyer, there are none listed for Canada, Ted in Vermont may not be to far for a M

[Guest]

7 hours ago, pkofman said:

Does anyone know of someone who can assist with some transition training

I should have the m20m in a few weeks

I have about 400 hours in a  m20j and 100 in a m20k..

The problem is that it has been a long time since i have flown type and I've spent the last several year flying a 182 g1000 

( the m20m is steam ).. Im in Toronto Canada

thoughts   . Peter

 

Ed Pasquale at Seneca College in Peterborough.

Clarence

[FoxMike]

Transition training is worth the time and expense.  I flew Mooneys for 15 years or so then moved to Beech and T210.  Had been away from Mooneys for 15 years when I bought a TLS.  Took me 10 hours or so to get used to the heavy Mooney and the 4 degree nose high attitude.  Flare takes some getting used to.  Good Luck!

[Danb]

2 minutes ago, FoxMike said:

Transition training is worth the time and expense.  I flew Mooneys for 15 years or so then moved to Beech and T210.  Had been away from Mooneys for 15 years when I bought a TLS.  Took me 10 hours or so to get used to the heavy Mooney and the 4 degree nose high attitude.  Flare takes some getting used to.  Good Luck!

Well said Mike I flew two J,s for about 20 yrs and needed the 10 hours transition also, the picture from the seat was different upon landing

[pkofman]

On 2016-10-23 at 6:38 AM, M20Doc said:

Ed Pasquale at Seneca College in Peterborough.

Clarence

Clarence do you have a contact for ED. I have spoken to him before re IFR training but lost his number   . If you have it can you email me at pkofman at me dot com

thanks

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, pkofman said:

Clarence do you have a contact for ED. I have spoken to him before re IFR training but lost his number   . If you have it can you email me at pkofman at me dot com

thanks

Phone number sent to you.

Clarence

[PaulM]

I had about 70 hours in a J.. took 10 years off,  picked up the instrument rating in a 172..and then bought a Bravo.. did about 5 hours of transition.. it was like coming back home..   Just train for/in your local field... (Ask me how I know) 

[aviatoreb]

On 10/23/2016 at 6:35 AM, Danb said:

Check out the Mooney flyer, there are none listed for Canada, Ted in Vermont may not be to far for a M

and on your way to vt from toronto you go right over my house! stop in and say hi and show off your new bird! kptd - or at least rock the wings.

[pkofman]

3 hours ago, PaulM said:

I had about 70 hours in a J.. took 10 years off,  picked up the instrument rating in a 172..and then bought a Bravo.. did about 5 hours of transition.. it was like coming back home..   Just train for/in your local field... (Ask me how I know) 

so how do you know.?. I had a m20j  300 hours m20k 100 hours ...then 2 lake amphibious ,then took 10 years off  and then spent the last 2  years flying a  182 g1000 to gain currency .. and I'm still nervous about getting my mooney legs all sorted out again... but it is sort of exciting going down this road again.

 

Pete

[carqwik]

I was off of flying for 11 years or so...all my previous Mooney time was in 20Js and 20Ks.  Then I bought a Bravo...it's a somewhat different beast than those other models (IMHO)...still flies like a Mooney but the nose weight and longer arm makes it a much more trim dependent aircraft.  Oh...and it sucks down fuel too!

[BradB]

Let me know if Erie, PA works for you.   Only 35 Mooney minutes away.  I did my transition training with my CFI who is based here.  Lot's of Mooney experience. I do ongoing training with him in my Acclaim and he flies with a guy on the field here with a Nice K, too.  I need to get him to add his name to the list. 

[pkofman]

7 hours ago, carqwik said:

I was off of flying for 11 years or so...all my previous Mooney time was in 20Js and 20Ks.  Then I bought a Bravo...it's a somewhat different beast than those other models (IMHO)...still flies like a Mooney but the nose weight and longer arm makes it a much more trim dependent aircraft.  Oh...and it sucks down fuel too!

 

I keep hearing this about the heavy nose aspect and trim.. I am sure / hoping that with some time in the plane that like most other planes ive flow i  will get use to the particular feeling of the plane.. Im hoping it is just different not difficult.. ( i flew two lake amphibs for 3 years , now thats different but you can get used to it!) I also am aware of the additional fuel burn. I suppose that might be a price you pay for the goodies this plane provides.. One of the reasons i went for this plane was because it was already canadian reg. and that means i probably save about a year of fuel cost in not having to do a TC import...so im ready for the pocketbook burn

 

 

[carusoam]

The Bravo is a fully refined aircraft.  Training and experience are important to getting the pilot up to speed.  Like all Mooneys, there is a best speed for each operation.  Speed control is everything.

PP thoughts, not a CFI.

Best regards,

-a-

[LANCECASPER]

41 minutes ago, BradB said:

Let me know if Erie, PA works for you.   Only 35 Mooney minutes away.  I did my transition training with my CFI who is based here.  Lot's of Mooney experience. I do ongoing training with him in my Acclaim and he flies with a guy on the field here with a Nice K, too.  I need to get him to add his name to the list. 

I am willing to bet that the nice K on your field is N40FM - a '97 Encore.

[mike_elliott]

1 hour ago, pkofman said:

I keep hearing this about the heavy nose aspect and trim

Very true of the Bravo.

 

1 hour ago, pkofman said:

I am sure / hoping that with some time in the plane that like most other planes ive flow i  will get use to the particular feeling of the plane

I am sure you will do just fine, it just takes some seat time and proper Bravo initial transition training. I would throw my name in the hat, but I am booked pretty far out right now, and I don't think I own a winter coat anymore  BTW, I spent a lot of time in Bowmanville, On. at Mosport back in the day.

[carqwik]

Nothing difficult about flying the Bravo...it's just not what some might call "forgiving."

[BradB]

2 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

I am willing to bet that the nice K on your field is N40FM - a '97 Encore.

Yep!

The owner was kind enough to let me fly it once to get a feel for Mooneys when I was shopping for a plane.   Do you have a history with that one?

 

Brad

[Guest]

I'm not sure a Bravo engine is much heavier than the IO720, as in all planes trim is definitely important.

Clarence

[LANCECASPER]

6 hours ago, BradB said:

Yep!

The owner was kind enough to let me fly it once to get a feel for Mooneys when I was shopping for a plane.   Do you have a history with that one?

 

Brad

I used to own it.

Lance

[PaulM]

On 10/24/2016 at 11:04 PM, pkofman said:

so how do you know.?. I had a m20j  300 hours m20k 100 hours ...then 2 lake amphibious ,then took 10 years off  and then spent the last 2  years flying a  182 g1000 to gain currency .. and I'm still nervous about getting my mooney legs all sorted out again... but it is sort of exciting going down this road again.

When I did my transition around San Antonio, we flew into 4000' strips or larger, and only once landed at a 3000' one.  (1T7, Kestrel) The technique they were teaching me for approach often left me with 10kts too much speed.  So when I flew back home with the Bravo, my local airport is 3000' with trees and a hill.   I had two go arounds before getting it down in the 3rd try.   I then switched back to the trim for speed approach recommend by Don Kaye, and no longer have a problem at 3000' and under. 

With a bit of coaching, flying a Bravo is simple, just about 5kts more speed for the long body (weight+) , the long body landing position is a bit different from the J/K body.. but that would only be an issue if you had just flown them...   Go-arounds are probably the most potential trouble.. the power, p-factor, flaps to T/O.. re-trim for Vx.. all close to the ground.  The bravo is easy to land, but you have to hit the speeds.. and as we know 10kts is 1000' of float, and you can't force it on the ground.