Corrosion Repair

[bradp]

And it's very easy to pull a seat or two and a plastic panel or two to see what's underneath.

Mid also recommend pulling the seat inspection panels and the wing flex bolt and running the magnet as per SB208B as part of a PPI.  Especially those that turn into an annual.   

If insurance wasn't taking care of this, there would be a much different conversation about the importance of including the tubular frame as part of a Mooney specific PPI.  

[DonMuncy]

Also interesting to know the geographical history of this plane. Near an ocean or gulf for any period of time.

[Guest]

It's hard to tell from the pictures, but are the tubes really that bad?  In another thread someone posted about holes rusted through the the tubes.

Clarence

[mike_elliott]

3 hours ago, DonMuncy said:

Also interesting to know the geographical history of this plane. Near an ocean or gulf for any period of time.

It doesn't appear to have been, unless Calgary is considered coastal by our neighbors up north. Their rats are more corrosive, I hear.

 

[mooneyspeed]

Going through the logs it doesn't look like that specific SB was completed.   I find that odd seeing as the MSC here had maintained it for the last couple of years until they branched out on their own.   They feel quite bad having recommended this plane saying its all good.   Perhaps the last owner tightened up the purse strings after the overhaul 2 years ago.  It'll be done this time though.

This issue wasn't present last year at its annual and the interior was open as recent as last fall.  It was hangared its whole life except when out on trips.   The Calgary climate is typically high and dry, although this summer seems to be an exception.  

Now that its clean, the uric acid (pee) damage doesn't seem to be as bad as originally thought but the insurance's protocol is to have NDT done anyways.   They want to know how much surface damage is done and if its within limits.  More to follow.   

Thanks again for all the comments and tips for moving forward.

[FBCK]

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[mooneyspeed]

I never really followed up on this with you guys. Thought I should let you know that while the process was lengthy everything went well coming back together. It was finally back in action late February of this year. We've put about 40 hours on it since. Planning to head to Reno for the races in September.


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[gsxrpilot]

WOW! That's a big job. 

[KSMooniac]

I missed this thread originally...very nice work saving a great K! Enjoy!

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[mooneyspeed]

I missed this thread originally...very nice work saving a great K! Enjoy!

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Thank god for insurance, that's all I can say.


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[milotron]

2 minutes ago, mooneyspeed said:

Thank god for insurance, that's all I can say.


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Wow. Impressive to say the least. Glad to see her back in the air.

Two questions, and apologies if addressed already:

1. Is that a shock absorber on the nose gear?!

2. Did you not plumb the ADF into the Aspen? I am considering an Aspen and will be retaining my ADF also. Curious as to your thoughts.

 

[mooneyspeed]

Wow. Impressive to say the least. Glad to see her back in the air.
Two questions, and apologies if addressed already:
1. Is that a shock absorber on the nose gear?!
2. Did you not plumb the ADF into the Aspen? I am considering an Aspen and will be retaining my ADF also. Curious as to your thoughts.
 

1. As far as I know that's just the normal Donuts for the nose gear.

2. I thought having that ADF go into the Aspen as an RMI would be fantastic, but would require the purchase of the ACU2. Most NDB approaches these days have a GPS overlay or even a RNAV stand alone to the same runway with better minimums. In Canada a lot of the NDB's are being decommissioned which is reflected in the last set of approach plates coming out. NBD's being removed from the plate and being replaced with GNSS waypoints.

I don't recall what the cost of he ACU2 was but the cost was definitely not worth it. I used that money for the EA100 instead.

So with the phase out and the fact that I'd really never even use an NDB for navigation I decided against it. I left the fixed card in the meantime and use the ADF for the "soothing" sounds of AM radio. Eventually I'll take it out and move some things around. Could probably get rid of that antenna on the tail too. The birds just use it as their personal outhouse perch.




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[milotron]

2 minutes ago, mooneyspeed said:

1. As far as I know that's just the normal Donuts for the nose gear.

2. I thought having that ADF go into the Aspen as an RMI would be fantastic, but would require the purchase of the ACU2. Most NDB approaches these days have a GPS overlay or even a RNAV stand alone to the same runway with better minimums. In Canada a lot of the NDB's are being decommissioned which is reflected in the last set of approach plates coming out. NBD's being removed from the plate and being replaced with GNSS waypoints.

I don't recall what the cost of he ACU2 was but the cost was definitely not worth it. I used that money for the EA100 instead.

So with the phase out and the fact that I'd really never even use an NDB for navigation I decided against it. I left the fixed card in the meantime and use the ADF for the "soothing" sounds of AM radio. Eventually I'll take it out and move some things around. Could probably get rid of that antenna on the tail too. The birds just use it as their personal outhouse perch.




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I am in Canada also, ADF is good for tuning in CBC at altitude...

I'll have to review the plates around here as most of the NDBs are still operational and in fact are used quite often. The approaches are almost all covered by GNSS approaches now too. Military still used the NDBs I have heard.

I like my ADF, and won't remove it until it really is not necessary. It has saved my butt for last minute diversions on a couple of occasions.

Interesting about the additional Aspen unit. As I noted, I am considering this also and good to know that the money for the extra unit is not worth it. Does your second NAV radio go into the Aspen?

[mooneyspeed]

I am in Canada also, ADF is good for tuning in CBC at altitude...
I'll have to review the plates around here as most of the NDBs are still operational and in fact are used quite often. The approaches are almost all covered by GNSS approaches now too. Military still used the NDBs I have heard.
I like my ADF, and won't remove it until it really is not necessary. It has saved my butt for last minute diversions on a couple of occasions.
Interesting about the additional Aspen unit. As I noted, I am considering this also and good to know that the money for the extra unit is not worth it. Does your second NAV radio go into the Aspen?

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[BillC]

OK, I gotta ask. Who is your insurance company and do they have a US office. 

Edited July 8, 2017 by BillC

[carusoam]

Wow!  Great follow-up.

Where did all the new tube/ frame come from?

Or am I seeing double?

The goofy shock absorber / vibration dampener on the nose wheel has no function after the first week of ownership...

There is a document somewhere that allows and documents for its removal.

Best regards,

-a-

[pinerunner]

Great view of the tubular framework. These pictures could be used in an instructional series. It's great to see that this kind of work CAN be done. 

How many man hours did the shop put in?

[mooneyspeed]

OK, I gotta ask. Who is your insurance company and do they have a US office. 

AON Reed Stenhouse is my broker. They are based in Vancouver. Catlin Insurance is the provider and I believe underwritten in part with Lloyds of London. Excellent policies and coverage.

I had good logs and maintenance records so this whole process was smooth from their side.


I don't know if Catlin is only in Canada or elsewhere.


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[chrisk]

Wow.  Very surprised the plane was not scrapped. 

[DaV8or]

I am so blown away! Not at the size of the job, but rather-

1. The insurance company covered this.
2. The insurance company didn't just hand you a check and scrap the plane.
3. The insurance company required a whole new cage be installed instead of just repairing the damaged sections.

I wonder if this procedure on a Mooney has been done anywhere else in the last 30 years? Hopefully your new premiums aren't $10,000 a year.

I gotta ask though, since they all went to this much trouble, couldn't you have paid a little extra and got the new pilot's side door added? You would have had the only K in the world like that.

Thanks so much for sharing this incredible story! 

[gsxrpilot]

Yeah I really want to know how in the world the insurance company covered this repair. 

[pinerunner]

Great view of the tubular framework. These pictures could be used in an instructional series. It's great to see that this kind of work CAN be done. 

I'm looking at the dates on this post and it looks like the whole thing was done in a couple weeks to a month. Can that be true? Sometimes what's straightforward and what's crazy hard can be deceptive but still... Could it be that Mooneys are a relatively easy rebuild project once you understand how they're put together? That sounds crazy. I can't believe I said it.

[rbridges]

I'm with everyone else.  I'm still picking myself off the ground with the insurance part.

[pinerunner]

32 minutes ago, rbridges said:

I'm with everyone else.  I'm still picking myself off the ground with the insurance part.

Act of nature. It's a K so value is high enough that they won't just scrap it as quick as with my old E. A month in the shop might not look so bad compared to writing a check over $100K. But if you knowingly bought it like this and tried to stick it to the insurance company and they could prove it that sounds like fraud to me.

[AlexLev]

What insurance co.? Does this mean that if our planes develop corrosion and we have a certain kind of insurance, it's possible to have the repair be covered? Please share more details...