PBOR2 passes Senate

[Raptor05121]

The Pilots Bill of Rights 2 has unanimously passed the Senate yesterday and now is moving onto the House of Representatives

AOPA Update- http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/December/15/Full-Senate-passes-medical-reform?CMP=ADV%3A1

PBOR2 FAQs- http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/December/09/Third-class-medical-FAQs?WT.mc_id=151214special&WT.mc_sect=adv#.VnFJ-QTtu18.facebook

[Marauder]

Excellent!

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[1964-M20E]

Great light at the end of the tunnel I just hope it's not a 747 on final.

 

 

[steingar]

About freaking time.

[Marauder]

What I am worried about is the doctor checklist requirement. I know my doctor was very nervous to sign a letter to my AME that an issue I was dealing with was resolved. I fear many pilots will end up with their AME for the decision because their personal doctor won't sign it.

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[peevee]

I wonder if this will boost airplane values.

[carusoam]

My plane's value just went up...

 

-a-

[N33GG]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

What I am worried about is the doctor checklist requirement. I know my doctor was very nervous to sign a letter to my AME that an issue I was dealing with was resolved. I fear many pilots will end up with their AME for the decision because their personal doctor won't sign it.

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Ditto, big time.  Most doctors don't want to sign anything that is not a routine matter of their business.  Wait until the first crash and lawsuit that brings in a doctor.

[N601RX]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

What I am worried about is the doctor checklist requirement. I know my doctor was very nervous to sign a letter to my AME that an issue I was dealing with was resolved. I fear many pilots will end up with their AME for the decision because their personal doctor won't sign it.

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There may not be many AME's left.  The ones I know are from smaller towns and are for the most part only doing 10-20 3rd class medicals year.  From my understanding they have to attend certain activities to keep their AME privileges.  The ones I know only do this because they are pilots and enjoy it.  Will they continue to maintain their AME privileges for only a couple of patients?  In larger towns they may be more demand, but in small towns with a rural airports their isn't going to be much demand.

[peevee]

the AME game looks like a nice little side business for my doc. He gets paid same day, doesn't have to file insurance paperwork, and spends 10 minutes tops with each patient. SEEMS like a good way to boost his practice. Maybe the reality is different.

[steingar]

My AME likes it just fine.  Cash money, no Medicare or Obamacare or anythingcare.  The only thing I'll miss if this goes through will be seeing her pretty face and wonderfully tight body every two years.

That comes off as deservedly misogynistic, but my AME actually generated some real cred for DO's.  Figured out why my BP was up, my MD doc didn't even know.  Did me a good turn, I must say.

[M20F]

36 minutes ago, steingar said:

The only thing I'll miss if this goes through will be seeing her pretty face and wonderfully tight body every two years.

 

37 minutes ago, steingar said:

my AME actually generated some real cred for DO's.  Figured out why my BP was up

I wonder why the BP was up ;-)

[Raptor05121]

8 hours ago, peevee said:

I wonder if this will boost airplane values.

Yup. A influx of pilots back in the air, looking for planes?

A guy came around my airfield and was buying up derelict Cherokees and 172, cash money just walking around them. He told me he has an operation restoring airplanes to flyable status and plan on selling them to the PBOR2 crowd. He buys 5-10 airplanes a month he told me.

[peevee]

31 minutes ago, Raptor05121 said:

Yup. A influx of pilots back in the air, looking for planes?

A guy came around my airfield and was buying up derelict Cherokees and 172, cash money just walking around them. He told me he has an operation restoring airplanes to flyable status and plan on selling them to the PBOR2 crowd. He buys 5-10 airplanes a month he told me.

I think it'll kill lsa also. 

[Raptor05121]

Kill one market, but expand aviation maybe. My uncle is relegated to flying an Ercoupe. I'm sure he will be glad to back into something bigger.

[TWinter]

Just had my physical last week...Another one down and here's to hoping it might be the last ( sort of-every 4 yrs is much better)... Only good thing about two years is it keeps me honest on my workouts and diet.

[ryoder]

A friend told me his divers medical is just a form he had his doctor fill out like a form for workplace wellness exams.  He doesn't think doctors will care.

[steingar]

5 hours ago, M20F said:

 

I wonder why the BP was up ;-)

I have gout, a lovely gift from my ancestors caused by an immune reaction to uric acid crystals at the joints (mostly).  It is treated with a drug called allopurinol, a competitive inhibitor of Xanthine oxidase, which catalyzes the first step of uric acid synthesis. My doc prescribed a dose higher than needed that drove up my BP.  DO AME spotted it.  Halving the dose of the allopurinol fixed it straight away.  Score one for the AME.

[DaV8or]

11 hours ago, Marauder said:

What I am worried about is the doctor checklist requirement. I know my doctor was very nervous to sign a letter to my AME that an issue I was dealing with was resolved. I fear many pilots will end up with their AME for the decision because their personal doctor won't sign it.

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That's when your AME becomes your "primary physician". 

[Hank]

 

1 hour ago, DaV8or said:

That's when your AME becomes your "primary physician". 

The AME I found after relocating is a pediatrician . . . And I would not say he has a "tight body" that I look forward to seeing . . .   When I first started flying, I discovered that my doctor was an AME, so my annual physical alternated with a Flight Physical every other year.

[1964-M20E]

16 hours ago, steingar said:

My AME likes it just fine.  Cash money, no Medicare or Obamacare or anythingcare.  The only thing I'll miss if this goes through will be seeing her pretty face and wonderfully tight body every two years.

That comes off as deservedly misogynistic, but my AME actually generated some real cred for DO's.  Figured out why my BP was up, my MD doc didn't even know.  Did me a good turn, I must say.

No reason you can't make excuses to go see her anyway. 

 

I'm not an AME and I may be wrong but I think the "check list" is just that the doctor has checked those items on you not that he is certifying you for flight.  

[steingar]

On December 17, 2015 at 8:20 AM, 1964-M20E said:

No reason you can't make excuses to go see her anyway. 

-actually,  a pretty good reason.  I'd like to stay married.

I'm not an AME and I may be wrong but I think the "check list" is just that the doctor has checked those items on you not that he is certifying you for flight.  

-we'll see

 

[Jim F]

Good for most but not sure this helps me. 

If I want to file and go high I would bust a FAR. I flown at my service ceiling, plus a trip to Oshgosh at FL23 and above 18k a hand full of times to stay out of the clouds. 

I don't want my medical limiting my vertical options. 

Jim

[Guest]

On December 16, 2015 at 0:50 PM, peevee said:

the AME game looks like a nice little side business for my doc. He gets paid same day, doesn't have to file insurance paperwork, and spends 10 minutes tops with each patient. SEEMS like a good way to boost his practice. Maybe the reality is different.

If the good Doctor had an A&P licence as well he could sign off the airplane annual at the same time.

Clarence

[Danb]

16 hours ago, Jim F said:

Good for most but not sure this helps me. 

If I want to file and go high I would bust a FAR. I flown at my service ceiling, plus a trip to Oshgosh at FL23 and above 18k a hand full of times to stay out of the clouds. 

I don't want my medical limiting my vertical options. 

Jim

Jim I have the same concern, my risk,for the lack of a better term and being older with some medical issues, what would occur if I received my regular third class medical and failed? I to go above FL 180 for weather purposes only so I ask myself what should I do? Would declaring an emergency in the event I'd have to ascend for icing or storms how would that fly?