WILL THIS BE EXPENSIVE?

[DAVIDWH]

Cranked engine, second gen to on, avionics sw. to on,  EFIS toggle to on and no joy with EFIS. Only a four inch piece of black glass staring back at me. No ckt. breakers popped.

Continued flight and upon return, pulled unit and checked for power and ground. All good. Copied serial # and began the phone work.

Call # 1 to Tulsa:

Was told "You might be out of luck".

Call #2 to Minneapolis:

"Was told "Well I am not sure let me call Honeywell and will get back to you". Call returned with a are you setting down ?  Yes Honeywell can help us, but  replacement cost is $19,000. Have checked the secondary market and there are a couple available in the 10 to 12 K range with no serviceable warranty. Oh my, what now?

Call #3 to Southeast Aerospace, Melbourne Fla

 and was transferred to Ms. Jessica in sales." Well yes we do have one on shelf and yes we will warranty." And price is $7,500 with a repairable core. $9,500 if core cannot be repaired. 

What does that mean?  Well if mini cathode ray tube and power supply are both defective, not cost effective to repair and we will ship core back to you with no core credit. Core credit is $2000.

Hmn I understand there is an updated version that greatly improved reliability over my older unit. Yes that is true and we have only one of those units (ED-461) in stock for $500 more.

Can you ship today? Of course, and what is your credit card #?

Three days later unit arrived I installed,(slip and slide), worked perfectly and approx. 2 weeks later core was approved for $2000 rebate.

Sometimes, you just need to keep talking. ( Neglected to mention the one advertised on E-Bay.)

Answer to question posed in title above is yes.

 

Best,

DH

 

[Guest]

Can you spell "Aspen"?

Clarence

[peevee]

1 hour ago, M20Doc said:

Can you spell "Aspen"?

Clarence

Unfortunately, I'd agree, though those are certainly not cheap either. 

[flight2000]

Hmmm, can you say steam gauges....

Seriously, the more I hear about "glass" units failing, the more I'm becoming intrenched with my regular panel. 

Anyone know where we can find the failure rates on these?  Bet the manufacturers know, but probably have it buried in a vault with dogs and 24 hour cameras watching over it.

Brian

[ryoder]

Steam gauges, wet compass, nav com, DME, iPad.

[Bob_Belville]

I bought an Aspen because I could not depend on the old Narco HSI. I bought a GTN 750 because I could not depend on a KNS-80. I think I've read that the mtbf for the modern boxes is higher than the stuff I was flying with in the '60s, '70s, & '80s. I know the new gear is many times more capable!

I have had my panel of new gear for 3 years with zero squawks. In the 9 months I had the plane before upgrading I had to repair 4 different radios/instruments.

Give me the really clever stuff for cross country (IFR) flying, you can keep the antique stuff. 

[cliffy]

Glass of water on the glareshield with a rock on a string dangling from the center post  :-)

[Andy95W]

1 hour ago, cliffy said:

Glass of water on the glareshield with a rock on a string dangling from the center post  :-)

And just open the window for Airspeed Indicator.

[WardHolbrook]

If you have to ask you can't afford it.  

[Guest]

5 hours ago, cliffy said:

Glass of water on the glareshield with a rock on a string dangling from the center post  :-)

I thought that it was the Cat and Duck method of IFR flight?

Clarence

[StevenL757]

Put the cost towards a G500 and sleep better at night.  Case closed.  :-)

[N201MKTurbo]

You are crazy if you think your G500 will be repairable twenty years from now. Does Garmin or Aspen guarantee a serviceable lifetime? That is a lot of money to spend every ten to fifteen years.

my steam gauges were designed in the fifties and are still serviceable.

[Bob_Belville]

10 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

You are crazy if you think your G500 will be repairable twenty years from now. Does Garmin or Aspen guarantee a serviceable lifetime? That is a lot of money to spend every ten to fifteen years.

my steam gauges were designed in the fifties and are still serviceable.

In 20 years I'll be 92 and the airframe will be 70. Think either of us will care if Garmin still exists of if the globe has been warmed to extinction?

[Marauder]

10 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: You are crazy if you think your G500 will be repairable twenty years from now. Does Garmin or Aspen guarantee a serviceable lifetime? That is a lot of money to spend every ten to fifteen years.

my steam gauges were designed in the fifties and are still serviceable.

In 20 years I'll be 92 and the airframe will be 70. Think either of us will care if Garmin still exists of if the globe has been warmed to extinction?

I personally think Turbo wants to take it with him. Only the pharaohs have figured out a way to line their tomb with gold. My mission is to spend it ALL!

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[Bob_Belville]

29 minutes ago, Marauder said:

I personally think Turbo wants to take it with him. Only the pharaohs have figured out a way to line their tomb with gold. My mission is to spend it ALL!

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Coincidentally(?) my daughter and son-in-law were here for T'giving. Before they left they tried to delicately bring up the subject of wills and such planning that they thought Nancy and I should be keeping up to date. (Did I mention they're both big city lawyers?) It being a holiday and all, I did not tell them to buzz off nor did I tell them that my actual plan is to outlive her and her sister.

[Jerry 5TJ]

1 hour ago, N201MKTurbo said:

....my steam gauges were designed in the fifties and are still serviceable.

My 60s slide rule still works, too, but I find I can do a bit more with Excel

[DonMuncy]

27 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said:

Coincidentally(?) my daughter and son-in-law were here for T'giving. Before they left they tried to delicately bring up the subject of wills and such planning that they thought Nancy and I should be keeping up to date. (Did I mention they're both big city lawyers?) It being a holiday and all, I did not tell them to buzz off nor did I tell them that my actual plan is to outlive her and her sister.

Bob,

In defense of your daughter &SIL, try to imagine their position "when the time comes". Without knowing your desires, about where you want to be buried, where you want specific assets to go, etc., they (or whoever is making the decisions) will have to just make the best decisions they can about what to do. Planning (and writing down) what you want done may save your estate costs and tax money, and assure what you want to happen to stuff takes place.

Sorry about the thread drift. The lawyer in me won't go away.

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, DonMuncy said:

Bob,

In defense of your daughter &SIL, try to imagine their position "when the time comes". Without knowing your desires, about where you want to be buried, where you want specific assets to go, etc., they (or whoever is making the decisions) will have to just make the best decisions they can about what to do. Planning (and writing down) what you want done may save your estate costs and tax money, and assure what you want to happen to stuff takes place.

Sorry about the thread drift. The lawyer in me won't go away.

Sorry Don, I'm mostly joking. But they did ask and I briefed them on where to find everything they would need.They mean well, Nancy's dad dies last year @ 93 and we've all been through the decisions with her 91 year old mother who also is with us.

[Shadrach]

1 hour ago, jerry-N5911Q said:

My 60s slide rule still works, too, but I find I can do a bit more with Excel

Wait, isn't all of the fancy glass coupled to the latest and greatest about doing less?  I mean if you've steam gauges and a certified WAAS box, you can fly any approach that anyone with the most modern aircraft can fly, you just have to do more of the flying.

[Hank]

4 minutes ago, Shadrach said:

Wait, isn't all of the fancy glass coupled to the latest and greatest about doing less?  I mean if you've steam gauges and a certified WAAS box, you can fly any approach that anyone with the most modern aircraft can fly, you just have to do more of the flying.

Yep. S'me there. Not many approaches I can't fly, except those rapidly-disappearing NDB things. Never tuned in one of those boxes, the beacon where I used to live was unusable beyond 10 miles, and the Mooney doesn't have a receiver. 

[MyNameIsNobody]

3 hours ago, Bob_Belville said:

In 20 years I'll be 92 and the airframe will be 70. Think either of us will care if Garmin still exists of if the globe has been warmed to extinction?

I hope when the time comes I'm not a selfish old rhymes with duck.

[N201MKTurbo]

Well, I owned my first Mooney for 19 years, and I've had this one for 13.

With the current avionics situation I might be on my third set of $30000 avionics!

That is more then I've spent on engines!

[chrisk]

12 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Well, I owned my first Mooney for 19 years, and I've had this one for 13.

With the current avionics situation I might be on my third set of $30000 avionics!

That is more then I've spent on engines!

Part of the problem is the level of integration, most of which seems needless to me.  Imagine 8 years from now, the nav radio on your Garmin 750 quits. What are you going to do?   --You can't just replace the nav radio.  Your in for the whole enchilada. 

[Marauder]

29 minutes ago, Marauder said: I personally think Turbo wants to take it with him. Only the pharaohs have figured out a way to line their tomb with gold. My mission is to spend it ALL!

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Coincidentally(?) my daughter and son-in-law were here for T'giving. Before they left they tried to delicately bring up the subject of wills and such planning that they thought Nancy and I should be keeping up to date. (Did I mention they're both big city lawyers?) It being a holiday and all, I did not tell them to buzz off nor did I tell them that my actual plan is to outlive her and her sister.

I tell my kids not to worry, the dogs will be taken care of. The kids, not so much.

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[Marauder]

1 hour ago, jerry-N5911Q said: My 60s slide rule still works, too, but I find I can do a bit more with Excel

Wait, isn't all of the fancy glass coupled to the latest and greatest about doing less?  I mean if you've steam gauges and a certified WAAS box, you can fly any approach that anyone with the most modern aircraft can fly, you just have to do more of the flying.

It is about doing less. When I turn on GPSS and the AP, I can take a nap.

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