Time to Climb

[Danb]

Hank just think if you hat didn't slow you down?

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

You got an IO720 hanging on the front of your M18?

Yes, and two seats.  Don't tell Transport Canada

Clarence

[aviatoreb]

Just now, M20Doc said:

Yes, and two seats.  Don't tell Transport Canada

Clarence

I want an IO900 for the front of my M20 - no a TSIO900

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

I want an IO900 for the front of my M20 - no a TSIO900

Might I suggest a P&W 985 with the 2 blade Hamilton Standard?  Sure would sound cool.

Clarence

[Hank]

2 hours ago, Danb said:

Hank just think if you hat didn't slow you down?

Nah, that's my winter hat. My summer hat is similar but ventilated for reduced drag. If I only had a good picture . . .  

[Andy95W]

5 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Just returned from the time to climb check.  Field 1050' ASL, baro 30.40"Hg, OAT 9 C.  80 gallons of fuel,  2 on board @ 420LBS.

From a standing start, climbed at 120KTS, (Vx= 80 KTS, Vy= 104KTS)  Could have climbed steeper but the sun was low and made it hard to see. I will have to do it again to improve the numbers

2000'  0:50

3000' 1:29

4000' 2:06

5000' 2:52

6000' 3:38  less than 5 NM from airport

7000' 4:22

8000' 5:10

9000' 5:54

10,000' 6:43

11,000 7:42.  12 NM from the airport

Clarence

 

Fuel used:  72/80 gallons.  

Sorry, Clarence, couldn't resist! 

[Hector]

Interesting data. Have never done a time to climb test in my C. What I have done is climb at WOT and 2500 rpm and trimmed for 120 mph (my typical cruise climb with temps staying below 400) until she could climb no more. I was 400 under gross and she stopped climbing at 16000 (still showing 120 mph indicated). Temperature at departure airport (KCRG) was around 70 degrees F. Pretty sure if I had increased to full RPM and continued climbing at Vy (around 85 indicated at 16000 feet) she would have gone another couple of thousand. Pretty cool considering at 16000 feet and 2500 rpm an O-360 is making just a little over 60 BHP.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, N1395W said:

Fuel used:  72/80 gallons.  

Sorry, Clarence, couldn't resist! 

Itleaves enough fuel in its wake to run a C model.

Clarence

[ArtVandelay]

Just returned from the time to climb check.  Field 1050' ASL, baro 30.40"Hg, OAT 9 C.  80 gallons of fuel,  2 on board @ 420LBS.

From a standing start, climbed at 120KTS, (Vx= 80 KTS, Vy= 104KTS)  Could have climbed steeper but the sun was low and made it hard to see. I will have to do it again to improve the numbers

2000'  0:50

3000' 1:29

4000' 2:06

5000' 2:52

6000' 3:38  less than 5 NM from airport

7000' 4:22

8000' 5:10

9000' 5:54

10,000' 6:43

11,000 7:42.  12 NM from the airport

Clarence

 

So it took you 7:42 to climb from 10000 to 11000 or it took you 59 secs? If you are climbing at 1000'/min at 10000', what kind of turbo do you have installed?

[mike_elliott]

15 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Just returned from the time to climb check.  Field 1050' ASL, baro 30.40"Hg, OAT 9 C.  80 gallons of fuel,  2 on board @ 420LBS.

From a standing start, climbed at 120KTS, (Vx= 80 KTS, Vy= 104KTS)  Could have climbed steeper but the sun was low and made it hard to see. I will have to do it again to improve the numbers

2000'  0:50

3000' 1:29

4000' 2:06

5000' 2:52

6000' 3:38  less than 5 NM from airport

7000' 4:22

8000' 5:10

9000' 5:54

10,000' 6:43

11,000 7:42.  12 NM from the airport

Clarence

 

run out of gas at 11k?

 

[kmyfm20s]

No turbo, his climb rates actually increase with altitude because the rate fuel burn making him some much lighter. His flight profile is more like a SR22 spy plane with a refueler waiting at the top of the climb.

Joking aside, impressive numbers!

[M20F]

2 hours ago, teejayevans said:

So it took you 7:42 to climb from 10000 to 11000 or it took you 59 secs? If you are climbing at 1000'/min at 10000', what kind of turbo do you have installed?

59 seconds and Clarence gets his power the old fashion way through 400hp (PA-24-400) because Pug Piper thought turbo's would never take off. 

[Hank]

"There's no replacement for displacement."  --Big Daddy Garlits (one of my childhood heroes, hope to see his museum one day)

[Jerry 5TJ]

The Learjet 28’s World Records

FAI Record #2652

Type: Time to climb to a height of 15,000 meters

Performance: 12:27 minutes

Sub-class: C-1e (landplanes, mtow 3,000 to 6,000 kg)

Location: Kitty Hawk, N.C.

Claimant: Neil A. Armstrong

Date: Feb. 19, 1979

 

That is a bit over 3,900 feet per minute. Average. From sea level to nearly 50,000 feet.  Four guys on board.  

[cnoe]

2 hours ago, teejayevans said: So it took you 7:42 to climb from 10000 to 11000 or it took you 59 secs? If you are climbing at 1000'/min at 10000', what kind of turbo do you have installed?

59 seconds and Clarence gets his power the old fashion way through 400hp (PA-24-400) because Pug Piper thought turbo's would never take off. 

My HP (200) divided by M20Doc's HP (400) times my 10K climb time (10:20) = 5:10 (adjusted for HP deficiency). I'm feeling better now.

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[Guest]

9 hours ago, mike_elliott said:

run out of gas at 11k?

 

Not out of fuel, a slow moving Mooney was in the way!!

Clarence

[aviatoreb]

6 hours ago, jerry-N5911Q said:

The Learjet 28’s World Records

FAI Record #2652

Type: Time to climb to a height of 15,000 meters

Performance: 12:27 minutes

Sub-class: C-1e (landplanes, mtow 3,000 to 6,000 kg)

Location: Kitty Hawk, N.C.

Claimant: Neil A. Armstrong

Date: Feb. 19, 1979

 

That is a bit over 3,900 feet per minute. Average. From sea level to nearly 50,000 feet.  Four guys on board.  

Very cool!  Ok - since we aren't talking Mooneys anymore (Clarence was still a piston at least)

I once was reading on barnstormers an experimental category modified aerobatic airplane for sale with a turboprop engine where the owner was claiming that it would climb from 0 to 18000ft in 2.5 min.

F16 Rate of Climb (wiki) 50,000fpm.

The jet powered Waco show plane (many of us) saw at Oshkosh and other air shows - I had the chance to ask him - he said he climbs at 8000fpm and is limited only by the redline on the airframe because it can climb straight up.

Space Shuttle: 31 sec to 10,000ft and 99sec to 100,000ft. (I thought a Mooney rocket was fast - but a real rocket is faster...)

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/585035main_ALG_ST_SSA-Altitude.pdf

[M20F]

Departed 1320 made FL250 at  1416

Flightaware Track

 

[bonal]

Posting this for Hank. Passing 11200 feet still 500fpm 

[bonal]

WAIT A MINUTE ! I'm sitting here watching Street outlaws and what better thread to re read than this and it occurs to me that Hank never posted his numbers. What's Up!

[Guest]

Just returned from resetting the time to climb in the P brand airplane. 10,100 foot climb in 5:54.59. Vy plus 10 mph.

Clarence 

Edited March 30, 2016 by M20Doc

[Cyril Gibb]

15 minutes ago, M20Doc said:

Just returned from resetting the time to climb in the P brand airplane. 10,100 foot climb in 5:54.59. Vy plus 10 mph.

Clarence 

Was that a nitrous oxide bottle I saw in the back of your hangar yesterday ? .... just askin'

[bonal]

Doc, that's over 1800fpm average that thing is a monster. I'm still waiting for the Hankster to put up his numbers.

[Cruiser]

On 11/16/2015 at 5:21 PM, Mooneymite said:

Should we record the times in seconds, minutes, hours, or days....? 

NO, it should be in gallons 

[Hank]

7 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Just returned from resetting the time to climb in the P brand airplane. 10,100 foot climb in 5:54.59. Vy plus 10 mph.

Clarence 

Good lord! Six hours to climb to the 10,000' step! Hope the glide back down was good. My C only carries fuel for 5:30:00 flying, but I've not tried timing it to the second.