Oshkosh Crash

[yvesg]

Oshkosh is presently closed due to a crash. An aircraft hit the ground and bursted into flames while landing on runway 27. According to a marshaller, the aircraft did a tight turn and stalled. Aircraft is a low wing.

Airport is NOTAM closed for an unknown period. This is all the information we have.

Yves

[gsengle]

http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Small-plane-crashes-on-landing-at-EAA-6399158.php

 

This says it is a meridian, and implies survivors.  5 on board.

 

g

[N601RX]

http://fox6now.com/2015/07/22/small-plane-crashes-while-landing-at-eaa-in-oshkosh/

[PTK]

There was another crash there last month with 2 deaths. An experimental.

[peevee]

There was another crash there last month with 2 deaths. An experimental.

that was the sonex, wasn't it?

[Mike A]

Someone on the Facebook Mooney Pilots Group posted that it was their Malibu that was being brought in by a friend.  

 

He said he got a phone call from the pilot from the ambulance saying that another plane pulled out on the runway while he was on short final and he stalled trying to avoid.

[Tom]

Someone on the Facebook Mooney Pilots Group posted that it was their Malibu that was being brought in by a friend.  

 

He said he got a phone call from the pilot from the ambulance saying............................

 

Respectfully, it would probably be best to delete this statement and to advise all involved to keep quiet until cleared by appropriate representation.

[ToddDPT]

I'm on the mmopa forum and it looks like an 84 Malibu.  

[N33GG]

^{Very sad.  One reason why I don't fly into KOSH for the show any more..  too many things out of my control.  Used to all the time, but no more.  Seen too many accidents and planes torn up for no good reason.  Now I fly into KGRB.  Much safer for me and my plane.  And I enjoy the show just as much.}

 

^{Best wishes and prayers for all on board.}

[PTK]

that was the sonex, wasn't it?

 

 

Yes. The son of the founder of Sonex and a mechanic perished.

[KSMooniac]

I read a first-hand account on Beechtalk from a pilot witness waiting to takeoff on another runway that said there was no incursion and just a screwed-up base to final turn.

[Mike A]

I read a first-hand account on Beechtalk from a pilot witness waiting to takeoff on another runway that said there was no incursion and just a screwed-up base to final turn.

 

That may be the case, but if you listen to the recordings, the tower warns him during his base or final legs that there is someone on the runway, change the landing from Green to Orange dots,  and to "keep it coming around, [...], land as soon as you can".  Not what you want to hear on short final

[M20F]

^{Very sad. One reason why I don't fly into KOSH for the show any more.. too many things out of my control. Used to all the time, but no more. Seen too many accidents and planes torn up for no good reason. Now I fly into KGRB. Much safer for me and my plane. And I enjoy the show just as much.}

^{Best wishes and prayers for all on board.}

People who go really need to remember 91.3 and not let themselves get pressured into things. If isn't right go around or do what you need to do.

[KSMooniac]

That may be the case, but if you listen to the recordings, the tower warns him during his base or final legs that there is someone on the runway, change the landing from Green to Orange dots,  and to "keep it coming around, [...], land as soon as you can".  Not what you want to hear on short final

 

I didn't listen to the recording yet, but I agree that getting a surprise during a very non-standard approach is definitely not good.  The FISK arrival to 27 is very, very tight, with lots of opportunities for distraction and disaster.  

[Ned Gravel]

For me, this is the very reason why I switched to flying in the Caravan.  The FISK arrival scares the living daylights out of me.

[Shadrach]

I read a first-hand account on Beechtalk from a pilot witness waiting to takeoff on another runway that said there was no incursion and just a screwed-up base to final turn.

I've waited to take off on a lot of runways. It takes a lot of confidense to make a statement like that from the behind the hold short line of 6100ft runway. It's doubtful he was in a position to truly make that statement.

[Houman]

For me, this is the very reason why I switched to flying in the Caravan.  The FISK arrival scares the living daylights out of me.

That was my 1st FISK and hopefully last, it was just knots on sunday afternoon.

[Ned Gravel]

I remember my first FISK arrival.  It was also on 27.  Two go-rounds.  The first because I could not safely make the turn from downwind to final in the space they gave me (I was way wide) and the second was because of a 177 correcting his turn off the runway to go to the other side (as originally instructed, but not as originally executed).  Ed Ferguson's wife recorded it all and have yet to see the tape, but "Mooney, go round!" happened twice to me that day - on the 27 FISK arrival.

[Will W]

This is why I stress the fact that you should practice tight traffic patterns and slow maneuvering BEFORE you show up. This is pure pilot error. If you can't handle the tight turns into 27, I encourage you to fly with another qualified pilot in front AFTER you practice this at your home airport.

Please understand that I'm just concerned about the pilots that show up after doing their first real flying of the year.

[Tommy]

Sounds like the dreaded stall / spin on a tight slipped base to final turn...

[Guest]

The controller do expect some skillful flying from ordinary pilots, some can do it sadly others can not.

Clarence

[ryoder]

The controller do expect some skillful flying from ordinary pilots, some can do it sadly others can not.

Clarence

They should never expect anything more than newly minted private pilot skills.

But the pilot is responsible for getting the airplane on the ground safely.

As a student pilot I was asked to do s turns on final for spacing by St Pete tower and I refused. I could do it but I knew it would be safer to ask for a more normal entry.

[gsengle]

A freshly minted private pilot shouldn't be flying into OSH. I bet the notam makes clear this isn't an ordinary arrival.

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[gsxrpilot]

Flying into Oshkosh has been one of the highlights of my aviation experience... twice. I would whole heartedly recommend it to every pilot. After so many years of dreaming of that arrival, "Cleared to land on the purple dot, Welcome to Oshkosh" made me just a little bit emotional.

 

BUT... it is a privilege not to be taken lightly. I chose to throw my lot in with the Mooney Caravan. That involved several clinics and lots of practice with fellow Caravan pilots. And like most things, preparation makes a huge difference. Last year I flew as Charlie 3 in the Caravan, landing solo on 36R. This year I flew as Charlie Lead, landing with my number 2 wingman, side by side on 36L.  What an amazing experience.  And after two of these, I'm convinced its the safest way to arrive at OSH.

 

This year the Caravan landed 39 Mooney's in 5.0 minutes flat.  If you want to fly to Oshkosh next year, get to a clinic and come fly with us!

[M20F]

The controller do expect some skillful flying from ordinary pilots, some can do it sadly others can not.

Clarence

The difference in my book between ordinary and extraordinary pilots is one knows their limits and the other doesn't. Everything about being an extraordinary pilot centers on ADM and not stick and rudder skills. Being a good stick can make up for a lot of bad decisions but eventually a bad decision is going to get you.