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Hey guys, I never thought it would be as difficult as it is in finding a plane.  I love the J's but I think that for what I am looking for as far as engine/airframe time it is going to be out of my price range.  So I am thinking that I will end up with a short body Mooney.  Question for all you E/F drivers out there....what are you getting for real world cruise speed and fuel flows?  I found this Mooney for sale....what do you think?  Seems pretty nice to me.  Also what is the difference in baggage space?  Anyone have the dimensions for the E and F?


 


http://aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Mooney/1969_MOONEY_M20E_CHAPPARAL/28452.htm


 


I would appreciate any and all info you can provide.  Thanks.



Ray

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Nice looking aircraft!!!!  I own a G which is essentially the same as an F except the engine. The F and G are approximately 10 inches longer, giving you room to push the seat back and stretch on those long flights. You even have room to do that with 4 people most og the time. You loose the 10 inches in an E, but if your not carrying 4 adults, no biggy!

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Quote: aerobat95

Hey guys, I never thought it would be as difficult as it is in finding a plane.  I love the J's but I think that for what I am looking for as far as engine/airframe time it is going to be out of my price range.  So I am thinking that I will end up with a short body Mooney.  Question for all you E/F drivers out there....what are you getting for real world cruise speed and fuel flows?  I found this Mooney for sale....what do you think?  Seems pretty nice to me.  Also what is the difference in baggage space?  Anyone have the dimensions for the E and F?

 

http://aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Mooney/1969_MOONEY_M20E_CHAPPARAL/28452.htm

 

I would appreciate any and all info you can provide.  Thanks.

Ray

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Quote: aerobat95

Hey guys, I never thought it would be as difficult as it is in finding a plane.  I love the J's but I think that for what I am looking for as far as engine/airframe time it is going to be out of my price range.  So I am thinking that I will end up with a short body Mooney.  Question for all you E/F drivers out there....what are you getting for real world cruise speed and fuel flows?  I found this Mooney for sale....what do you think?  Seems pretty nice to me.  Also what is the difference in baggage space?  Anyone have the dimensions for the E and F?

 

http://aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Mooney/1969_MOONEY_M20E_CHAPPARAL/28452.htm

 

I would appreciate any and all info you can provide.  Thanks.

Ray

Gone Grand Master

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Ray:


As someone has already alluded, the F is 10 inches longer than the E. Five of those inches are between the front and rear seats and, to compensate for a stable C of G, five of them are forward of the firewall.  The F is also about 160 lbs heavier than the E in its empty weight - but you can check the type certificate to determine the actual difference.


The J model (the one you were originally lusting after) is really an F model with a bunch of early LoPresti mods done to it.  Roy LoPresti was either Director of Engineering or Vice President at the time of the introduction of the J and it was his baby.  So the J is faster than the F, although many of the dimensions and weights are the same between the two models.


The E is faster than the F because it weighs less with the same engine. So both the E and the J are faster than the F. 


Your choice between the E and the F will depend entirely on your desire (or compromise between):



  • speed, and


  • back seat leg room

That's it. 


Hope this helps.


Now go enjoy the hunt for your own Mooney.  Wink

jax88 Proficient

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I have a '75 F with a three blade prop, only speed mod is the cowl enclosure.  I just went San Antonio to Houston and back.  Had a slight headwind outbound and same wind at my back on the return trip.  I averaged anywhere from 135 to 140 knots groundspeed with the headwind and 150 to 155 (breifly saw 160 in straight/level) on the way back home.  Fuel burn worked out to about 12.5 gph, set for 75% power, leaned as close to 50 degrees rop as I could get her with the stock temp guages.  On longer trips I typically set up for 65% power and average 135 knots and 10.5 gph.

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Quote: aerobat95

Question for all you E/F drivers out there....what are you getting for real world cruise speed and fuel flows?  I found this Mooney for sale....what do you think? 

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I have a 67 20E and I get on average around 145 kts with a 3 blade at 3500ft. I also owned a 76F which I changed to have a 201 windshield like my 20E but also added  the 201 SWTA cowling.  Comparing some of my old records overall the E is faster. I too would love to have a 201 only because I have never had one.


Philip.  

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Quote: aerobat95

Hey guys, I never thought it would be as difficult as it is in finding a plane.  I love the J's but I think that for what I am looking for as far as engine/airframe time it is going to be out of my price range.  So I am thinking that I will end up with a short body Mooney.  Question for all you E/F drivers out there....what are you getting for real world cruise speed and fuel flows?  I found this Mooney for sale....what do you think?  Seems pretty nice to me.  Also what is the difference in baggage space?  Anyone have the dimensions for the E and F?

 

http://aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Mooney/1969_MOONEY_M20E_CHAPPARAL/28452.htm

 

I would appreciate any and all info you can provide.  Thanks.

Ray

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I haven't flown in a E model, but from what I've read, the F has a higher usefull load than the E model. IIRC, this is used up by 10 gal more fuel and the extra airfame weight, though. So, you can't really load more in the F but you do have 10 gal of extra fuel, which equates to roughly one hour more flying time. The E model also has the best take off performance of all Mooney's.


My F cruises at around 138 kts using 10 gal/ hour and has a useful load of 1040 lbs.

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I have flow my '65E model for about 2.5 years now. I usually fly around 150 hours a year. I flight plan for 150kts TAS and it's right on the mark consistently. I usualy see 9.5 - 10 gal/hr fuel burn. The E model is all I have ever flown but even with the shorter length it works fine for me. I regularily haul 2-3 people in it besides myself on flight that are usually around 2 hrs. long doing Angel Flight missions and I've never had anyone complain although that may be because they are receiving a free ride.  I am thinking about selling it to get a larger plane for the Angel Flights but if I were normally flying myself and one more I would not consider it.

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Quote: aerobat95

Hey guys, I never thought it would be as difficult as it is in finding a plane.  I love the J's but I think that for what I am looking for as far as engine/airframe time it is going to be out of my price range.  So I am thinking that I will end up with a short body Mooney.  Question for all you E/F drivers out there....what are you getting for real world cruise speed and fuel flows?  I found this Mooney for sale....what do you think?  Seems pretty nice to me.  Also what is the difference in baggage space?  Anyone have the dimensions for the E and F?

 

http://aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Mooney/1969_MOONEY_M20E_CHAPPARAL/28452.htm

 

I would appreciate any and all info you can provide.  Thanks.

Ray

jax88 Proficient

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Great first aircraft, quick enough (I suppose we all end up wanting faster), roomy enough for the teenage daughter to go in the back seat, plenty of room for bags, great reliability thus far, no hot start issues, very stable in flight, love the autopilot on the longer flights, . . .


I don't think you can go wrong with any Mooney model.  Make sure you get an aircraft you have complete confidence in and an aircraft that accomplishes YOUR mission.

flight2000 Veteran

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Well, if I find out I'm moving to Italy/Europe in about six months, there'll be a nice E model on the market.  Can't stand the thought of her sitting in a cold hanger, pickled for that length of time and I'm too anal to let someone use her for free.  Bad enough I'm in Saudi for the next 5 months home for 30 days on mid tour and then back for for the remaining 5 months. 


I flight plan for 160 kts true and see 10.5 gallons per hour burn at 7,000 ft.  Before anyone jumps my case, this was verified via GPS groundspeeds, so my systems are fine and not reading fast... :)  


Brian

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Damn.  Sorry to hear that Brian.  160 knots?  Glad I didn't race ya when you brought boys up to C.R., although she has a nice behind that I could have looked at for a while...getting smaller as she slowly dusted me.  That is 10 knots up on my bird.  Must be the silky new paint?!

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It would be a very painful decision, that's for sure.  As long as my wife is happy in the back with her alloted space and the kids maintain their slow growth rates (they have my genes, so it's possible since I was 6'/155lbs when I graduated HS)... we should be good to go.  I love this plane and only need to add an autopilot with GPSS and engine analyzer to make it complete.  If I stay stateside, an STEC-30 and EI MVP-50 are going in before I get back next summer.  That's my mega purchase with the deployment money... :) 


If I do end up selling, she told me I could get anything I wanted on the back side.  Thinking maybe an upgrade to a late 80's J or Bravo.


Brian

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Brian,


No market crash required, it's done it's part already.  The Rs are not as old as some of the Ms (Bravos).  The oldest ('94) do come up on the market below $150k.  Something to look for, Eagles are good to.


Theo,


10 years in a C, and I could not convince an adult to sit in the back seat, unless they really wanted to fly.   I do like the idea of the Duet though.  Brian Painter has a good idea on how to fold down the seat back in the M20C.  The Ovation's  rear seats fold, I don't think you even need a tent if you go camping this way.....?


-a-

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