Douglas911 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 What is the best way to get a Mooney 20C to HI. Looking at a move to HI. Costs to Ferry vs cost to ship. How do you ship? I know SkyPilot was looking at ferrying to HI Jan -2013 but I cannot find any follow up posts and if he actually ferried the plane or not. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Don't know what would be the costs and issues with installing an additional temporary fuel tank inside the cabin and then there is the risk of an ocean to,cross. Removing the seats to make room for the fuel tank and shipping them ahead would be the easy part. I watched in various stages the removal of the wing and tail and watched 2 Mooney's packed into a container for Australia by LASAR so I know they know how to do it and likely could tell you what the cost would be but once there someone's got to put it back together. I'd bet that would cost more than the value of a C. You could call them and ask. I doubt there are very many used airplanes to pick from over there. Good luck. Quote
carusoam Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Welcome aboard Douglas. Approximately 2,200 miles from LA to Honolulu. According to WingX... How long have you had your C? We have a few Atlantic crossings in recent history. They may be of assistance... Best regards, -a- Quote
ArtVandelay Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Welcome aboard Douglas. Approximately 2,200 miles from LA to Honolulu. According to WingX... How long have you had your C? We have a few Atlantic crossings in recent history. They may be of assistance... Best regards, -a- Not familiar with C, but 2200 would be double the J's range and you would have to load it up with fuel to it's max weight, with favorable winds sounds doable Quote
rob Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the shortest distance to HI via Alaska? It's going to take friendly winds, ferry tanks, and patience to fly slowly, but there may be a margin from AK that's not existent from CA? Realizing it would cost a good bit more, still less than not making it. Quote
Mooneymite Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 If you decide to fly, check with CarolAnn Garratt, Ocala, FL. She's done it several times in her J. http://alsworldflight.als.net/OurStory.aspx Quote
PTK Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Doug, you may want to also contact Bill Cox at Plane and Pilot magazine. He ferries planes and I know he has ferried Mooneys to Australia via that route with stops in HI. I remember reading one of his pieces about an MSE he ferried to Perth, Australia. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 They do it out of Oakland. I don't recall the price but they provide the pilot. You can't really just remove the wings and ship a mooney like you would a Cessna. -Robert Quote
carusoam Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Check with the factory... They have recent experience with shipping planes to China... As Robert pointed out, the front and back get removed for shipping. The Mooney wing is one solid piece. It would be considered major surgery... For flying the distance... Are you looking to rent this type of service or is this something you are considering to do yourself? Best regards, -a- Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 That young man Jack Weigand made the trip round the world not sure about his last legs but I think it was from HI to CA Quote
carusoam Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 http://www.solo2013.com Bonal has brought a good research idea.... This web site has Jack Weigand's route. HI is really out in the middle.... Best regards, -a- Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Looks like he never touched Hawaii but went up the eastern side of Russia I don't think you can carry enough fuel even with ferry tanks unless you get a big help from winds Quote
BigTex Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Ever thought about selling the plane and maybe purchasing another one when you move and get settled? You might find that a different type of aircraft might make the most sense for island hopping. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 I wonder what the used market would be in Hawaii not too good and with a higher price point. When My wife and I went on our honeymoon we went to Maui and while there we rented a C172 and flew around for a little over an hour with an instructor (rather than have to take a separate 1/2 hour check ride) and it ran over 300 dollars but was worth every penny. Everything is more costly there I think but don't really know. We also rented a Harley and tooled around the whole island for most of the day having a PPL and a class M license opens lots of fun options. Quote
BigTex Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Just did a quick search of planes for sale and there's almost none listed. None on Controller, one one Barnstormers and two twins on Trade-a-Plane. I expected to see more than that. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Just did a quick search of planes for sale and there's almost none listed. None on Controller, one one Barnstormers and two twins on Trade-a-Plane. I expected to see more than that. That doesn't surprise me a bit. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 You would need to carry a minimum of 130 gallons and maintain a 140mph GS at 8.5gph. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 They do it out of Oakland. I don't recall the price but they provide the pilot. You can't really just remove the wings and ship a mooney like you would a Cessna. -Robert I've seen lake aero do it 3 times. They did a story on it at Mooney Flyer last year. Quote
Bob_Belville Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 LAX to Honolulu is 2230 nm Just for fun, if you had to fly shorter legs - (under 1500 nm): LAX to Seattle 836 nm Seattle to Anchorage 1249 nm (there are places to stop between) Anchorage to Adak Alaska 1039 nm (there are a few places to stop between) Adak to Midway Island 1424 nm (there are no places to stop between) Midway to Johnston Atoll 816 nm Johnston Atoll to Honolulu 818 nm (Midway dir Hololulu is 1143 nm) total LAX - Honolulu via Johnston Atoll 6182 nm Better carry an extra quart of oil. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 LAX to Honolulu is 2230 nm Just for fun, if you had to fly shorter legs - (under 1500 nm): LAX to Seattle 836 nm Seattle to Anchorage 1249 nm (there are places to stop between) Anchorage to Adak Alaska 1039 nm (there are a few places to stop between) Adak to Midway Island 1424 nm (there are no places to stop between) Midway to Johnston Atoll 816 nm Johnston Atoll to Honolulu 818 nm (Midway dir Hololulu is 1143 nm) total LAX - Honolulu via Johnston Atoll 6182 nm Better carry an extra quart of oil. Any takers that would make for quite the story Quote
FloridaMan Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 I'd call these guys, from another thread: Hi Mike, Long Range Aviation would love to quote out the trip. Please contact me at daviddoble@longrangeaviation.com or contact our Business Manager - Mike at 813-240-9455. Also, please visit our website at www.longrangeaviation.com We are 3 owner company with many years of experience with trans-atlantic / pacific ferries in single engine aircraft during all seasons to include winter operations and specifically have delivered many airplanes to Germany. Thanks, Dave Quote
Hank Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 LAX to Honolulu is 2230 nm Just for fun, if you had to fly shorter legs - (under 1500 nm): LAX to Seattle 836 nm Seattle to Anchorage 1249 nm (there are places to stop between) Anchorage to Adak Alaska 1039 nm (there are a few places to stop between) Adak to Midway Island 1424 nm (there are no places to stop between) Midway to Johnston Atoll 816 nm Johnston Atoll to Honolulu 818 nm (Midway dir Hololulu is 1143 nm) total LAX - Honolulu via Johnston Atoll 6182 nm Better carry an extra quart of oil. Call it the "Polynesian Route" and crowd source funds . . . Add Go Pros, ferry tanks and raft, and go! Quote
Mooneymite Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 LAX to Honolulu is 2230 nm Just for fun, if you had to fly shorter legs - (under 1500 nm): LAX to Seattle 836 nm Seattle to Anchorage 1249 nm (there are places to stop between) Anchorage to Adak Alaska 1039 nm (there are a few places to stop between) Adak to Midway Island 1424 nm (there are no places to stop between) Midway to Johnston Atoll 816 nm Johnston Atoll to Honolulu 818 nm (Midway dir Hololulu is 1143 nm) total LAX - Honolulu via Johnston Atoll 6182 nm Better carry an extra quart of oil. KSBA-PNHL=2156NM KHAF-PHHN=2009NM http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=haf-phhn&DU=nm&SG=130&SU=kts Either way, it's a long way to swim..... 2 Quote
cliffy Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 Check Boeing Winds forecast. I know high altitude winds are always from the west so GS will be way down. https://www.windyty.com/?surface,wind,now,46.012,-70.137,3 Here's a good view of world wide winds 1 Quote
Piloto Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 SFO to HI you are talking at least 15 hours and 150 gallons (two 55 gallons drums). So it is a single pilot flight. Make sure the three axis autopilot is good and the oil burn is better than 10hrs/qt. Speed is substantially lower than the POH at 150 gallons. Carry extra relief bottles and snacks. You will also need HF radio. If you ship it the best person to reassemble it is the one that took it apart. This involves airline tickets and hotel expenses plus labor in addition to shipping costs and shop expenses. Check the rental rates in Hawaii and compare them to the above options. José Quote
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