M20F Price

[MARZ]

or maybe this? https://www.bpbsurplus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=807&cat=&page=1

[Marauder]

Hector, I ended up with the JPI mounted in the center panel because of the viewing angle issue you noted. I originally was going to use an angled bracket and have the unit mounted in the location marked by the red circle.

 

Based on the amount of work required to move things to get it closer to a better viewing angle, I would recommend that you see if angling it will work. You should be able to power it up free from it's mount and try having someone holding it at an angle towards you in your normal pilot position.

 

[Hector]

Swap places with it and the tach or it and the MP/FP.

i think I looked at that, but I would have to move both the tach and MP/FP to the other side and i dont think there is room for both. I'll take a look at that option again though because if I could make it work it would be an easy and ideal solution. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[Hector]

Hector, I do not know what the cost difference between the JPI 730 and 930 is but I went with the 930 to get rid of a great deal of panel clutter. In you case you could remove the 6 gauge cluster, the EGT gauge, the tach, the MP/FP gauge. You could then move the transponder, the autopilot and the NavCom2, which you would like and get the JPI over enough to be able to see it.

Bob...that would certainly work and is a viable solution. I was leaving that option as a backup if I cant find a cheaper solution. I certainly would not mind going to a 930 but was leaving that potentially as part of a wider panel upgrade I have planned for the future. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[Hector]

Hector, I ended up with the JPI mounted in the center panel because of the viewing angle issue you noted. I originally was going to use an angled bracket and have the unit mounted in the location marked by the red circle. Based on the amount of work required to move things to get it closer to a better viewing angle, I would recommend that you see if angling it will work. You should be able to power it up free from it's mount and try having someone holding it at an angle towards you in your normal pilot position.

I can tell you that it would not take much. I definitely had planned to figure out the required angle, obviously before making a bracket, but quick estimate suggest 20 to 30 degrees will be enough. My thought was exactly the same....the cost to move everything around is likely much more that manufacturing a simple angled bracket. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[Hector]

or maybe this? https://www.bpbsurplus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=807&cat=&page=1

well...that looks interesting!! It would certainly angle the engine monitor, but because of the size of the EDM you would have all these gaps around the instrument. However, this and a custom bracket might work together well Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[FloridaMan]

For a 67F with an old panel and a mid-time engine, I wouldn't expect to pay more than about $40k. I'd be patient and keep looking. 

[jetdriven]

Swap places with it and the tach or it and the MP/FP.

 

+1, the 201 tach and MP are all the way to the right and except for setting RPM for cruise you never look at them anyways.

[LevelWing]

I put the plane through a pre-buy and it failed pretty badly. It needed well over $10,000 worth of work. It's unfortunate that it didn't work out but better I find out now than buy the plane and have that kind of head ache.

 

On a related note, I found an M20C but it has a dent in the leading edge of one of the wings. The owner offered to have it repaired prior to purchase and said that it got the dent because the previous owner accidentally hit a hangar door with it. Whether or not that's true I don't know but what would it take to fix it? Is it even worth pursuing? Picture is attached.

 

Dent

[Marauder]

I put the plane through a pre-buy and it failed pretty badly. It needed well over $10,000 worth of work. It's unfortunate that it didn't work out but better I find out now than buy the plane and have that kind of head ache. On a related note, I found an M20C but it has a dent in the leading edge of one of the wings. The owner offered to have it repaired prior to purchase and said that it got the dent because the previous owner accidentally hit a hangar door with it. Whether or not that's true I don't know but what would it take to fix it? Is it even worth pursuing? Picture is attached. Dent

Strange that an owner would not have repaired something most of us would consider a problem. Especially since it was the previous owner who did it. Makes you wonder how many other things he "will fix" when you find them on a pre-buy.

[chrisk]

Strange that an owner would not have repaired something most of us would consider a problem. Especially since it was the previous owner who did it. Makes you wonder how many other things he "will fix" when you find them on a pre-buy.

 

It's hard to tell from the picture, but the dent looks rather small.   If I was the owner and a small cosmetic item was all that was in the way of a deal, I would put it on the table too.  Having said that, dents on the wing/tail was one of my questions when I was searching for planes.   I always asked them to put a ruler on the wing and take a picture.   I saw more than one with a good sized dent.   --Which is ok, but not if I have some one telling me their plane is perfect.

[chrisk]

Here is an example of one plane I looked at. This dent certainly looks larger than what you are looking at.

 

I do wonder though.  Would I have fixed this if I bought it?  Maybe not if it flew well.

[Hector]

Hard to tell where along the wing span the dent is and whether you have access to the back of that skin. If you have access to the back side then it is a simple flush patch repair. Cut out the dent, patch the back side, install a filler for the section you cut out.

[LevelWing]

Here's a larger image of the dent if it helps. The owner says it flies just fine and has no issues with it. Based on this what would an estimated repair cost be? Ballpark figure works, just looking to see how much something like this costs.

[Cruiser]

I guess the real question for the seller is "why didn't you fix it?" At the very least I would want a logbook entry saying it was inspected and deemed airworthy as is.

 

If you can access it for the inside, a good A/P could probably get most of that out with very little work.

[DaV8or]

Here's a larger image of the dent if it helps. The owner says it flies just fine and has no issues with it. Based on this what would an estimated repair cost be? Ballpark figure works, just looking to see how much something like this costs.

 

Rather than having people here guess, send both of your pictures to Paul at LASAR, or Don at Don Maxwell's. They will give a pretty good estimate. They have seen this and done this before. It isn't going to be cheap.

[Hector]

Near the wing tip. Not too bad. You can probably remove the close out rib and get to it from there. Flush patch definitely doable. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[BigTex]

I can tell you first hand that you should expect to spend around $10k to get that re-skinned.

[MB65E]

If the skin is not cracked, its most likely ok. Might try and roll it out and then use some High Speed aerodynamic filler. Not Bondo, but something a bit better that feathers well and won't shrink. Your Paint shops will use what they like. Looks like its in a good spot to blend out or just repaint that white strips. +1 OpenSkyflyer. What else did they "not fix." Years ago, I worked a shop and we replaced the center skin on the left wing of a "C". Pitot tube jammed thru the skin...That was some work! Match drilling worked well. $$$.

-Matt

[TTaylor]

I put the plane through a pre-buy and it failed pretty badly. It needed well over $10,000 worth of work. It's unfortunate that it didn't work out but better I find out now than buy the plane and have that kind of head ache.

 

On a related note, I found an M20C but it has a dent in the leading edge of one of the wings. The owner offered to have it repaired prior to purchase and said that it got the dent because the previous owner accidentally hit a hangar door with it. Whether or not that's true I don't know but what would it take to fix it? Is it even worth pursuing? Picture is attached.

 

Dent

 

 

Sorry, I have thought about this for a few days.  If it is a good "F" and just needs the work, did you try to negotiate with the owner?  He is going to have to lower the price or fix the issues himself anyway.  I have owned a "C" and now an "F", and not to start a war with my friends that own C's, the "F" is a much more versatile airplane especially in the west.  Just saying the old negotiating adage is true; "IF you don't ask, you don't get".  All he could say is no, but an offer something like "I will pay 25% of what ever it takes repair the deficiencies" might get the ship completed and the deal done.   A few AMU is not much difference in the whole process. 

 

Tim

[jetdriven]

Here's a larger image of the dent if it helps. The owner says it flies just fine and has no issues with it. Based on this what would an estimated repair cost be? Ballpark figure works, just looking to see how much something like this costs.

If you can get access to the back side of that dent,  a good sheet metal man can roll that dent out.

[LevelWing]

Sorry, I have thought about this for a few days.  If it is a good "F" and just needs the work, did you try to negotiate with the owner?  He is going to have to lower the price or fix the issues himself anyway.  I have owned a "C" and now an "F", and not to start a war with my friends that own C's, the "F" is a much more versatile airplane especially in the west.  Just saying the old negotiating adage is true; "IF you don't ask, you don't get".  All he could say is no, but an offer something like "I will pay 25% of what ever it takes repair the deficiencies" might get the ship completed and the deal done.   A few AMU is not much difference in the whole process. 

 

Tim

Based on what the mechanic said, it seems like there's a lot of work that needs to be done. Some of the issues noted were that the mags needed to be overhauled or replaced and that oil was leaking from the mag case. The mechanic also said that the tanks probably needed to be resealed and the owner agreed but said that wasn't a concern of his because it wasn't currently leaking and he didn't think it was worth the expense, especially because he's selling the plane.

[Alan Fox]

I can tell you first hand that you should expect to spend around $10k to get that re-skinned.

REALLY????  No one in their right mind would have that reskinned.....10 K ....what a joke....If you are seriously basing a sale on a little hanger rash you need to reconsider ownership.....  All planes get a little hanger rash now and then.....Although the skin is structural , that small dent is not affecting the integrity of the wing , it can be tapped flush , filled and painted for about 600.00 , or if you wanted to be silly , you could cut out about a three square inch hole on the bottom of the wing , use paintless dent removal tools to straighten out the leading edge and make a doubler and patch , and fill and paint for about 1000.00.....  or if you want to make special tools you could remove the inspection covers from the bottom and knock it out from the inside , and fill and paint for about 1000.00 ......

[BigTex]

I can tell you first hand that you should expect to spend around $10k to get that re-skinned. REALLY???? No one in their right mind would have that reskinned.....10 K ....what a joke....If you are seriously basing a sale on a little hanger rash you need to reconsider ownership..... All planes get a little hanger rash now and then.....Although the skin is structural , that small dent is not affecting the integrity of the wing , it can be tapped flush , filled and painted for about 600.00 , or if you wanted to be silly , you could cut out about a three square inch hole on the bottom of the wing , use paintless dent removal tools to straighten out the leading edge and make a doubler and patch , and fill and paint for about 1000.00..... or if you want to make special tools you could remove the inspection covers from the bottom and knock it out from the inside , and fill and paint for about 1000.00 ......

Yes Really. I didn't say there wasn't other ways to fix it but if the answer is to have it re skinned that's what you'd be looking at.

[LevelWing]

REALLY????  No one in their right mind would have that reskinned.....10 K ....what a joke....If you are seriously basing a sale on a little hanger rash you need to reconsider ownership.....  All planes get a little hanger rash now and then.....Although the skin is structural , that small dent is not affecting the integrity of the wing , it can be tapped flush , filled and painted for about 600.00 , or if you wanted to be silly , you could cut out about a three square inch hole on the bottom of the wing , use paintless dent removal tools to straighten out the leading edge and make a doubler and patch , and fill and paint for about 1000.00.....  or if you want to make special tools you could remove the inspection covers from the bottom and knock it out from the inside , and fill and paint for about 1000.00 ......

I haven't ruled the plane out because of that, it's just not what I wanted to see when I looked at it. Plus the interior is pretty old. I just didn't want to buy a plane and start spending a ton of money on repairing it. If it's that easy to fix and doesn't have an impact on anything then I'm ok with it. It's a C model but it's a good entry plane and will give me something to grow into.