Garmin Pilot disappointment

[Hank]

6 minutes ago, Jackk said:

So I feel I’m punching down on this thing

Yes, we all feel like you've been punching down on us. And we don't like it. Treating people badly is not a way to make friends.

You should either:

• Apologize like an adult and make amends; or
• Go away.

Please post your many hours of Mooney flying experience. I wonder why you and your Skywagon aren't posting on the Cessna boards? Everyone over there is probably fed up with your aggressive superiority, too.

[redbaron1982]

2 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

Not that he needs to do this since it's his thread, but if @redbaron1982 just deleted the thread and after using Garmin Pilot 30 days gave us his opinion on it in a new thread it would a breath of fresh air.

I was wondering that myself a few days ago. Then I thought it's better to keep the evidence around of this guy's being a douchebag. 

But I'm open to delete it. I guess we can vote. If you guys prefer me to delete the thread, just like this post. 

[TaildraggerPilot]

4 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

Not that he needs to do this since it's his thread, but if @redbaron1982 just deleted the thread and after using Garmin Pilot 30 days gave us his opinion on it in a new thread it would a breath of fresh air.

Hear hear! I’m getting over this Jackk AiRLiNe PiLoT guy. He probably wears his uniform to shop at Target. 

[toto]

5 minutes ago, redbaron1982 said:

I was wondering that myself a few days ago. Then I thought it's better to keep the evidence around of this guy's being a douchebag. 

But I'm open to delete it. I guess we can vote. If you guys prefer me to delete the thread, just like this post. 

I’m pretty sure that Craig can lock the thread if desired - might be a middle ground option. 

[Will.iam]

7 hours ago, redbaron1982 said:

I was wondering that myself a few days ago. Then I thought it's better to keep the evidence around of this guy's being a douchebag. 

But I'm open to delete it. I guess we can vote. If you guys prefer me to delete the thread, just like this post. 

You could just retitle the subject line as 

Jackk Pilot disappointment 

[BrianW]

On 12/24/2025 at 6:44 PM, Jackk said:

 That is crazy, I’d rethink the planes you fly 

 

 Im no pre Madonna, but I’d have someone’s ass for that 

What was the cause?  Did you file the NTSB paperwork for that one?

I love the Pre-Madonna! That's before her first album! :-)

I think the expression is "Prima Donna" meaning "First Lady" or the leading lady opera singer - now meaning a temperamental, egotistical, and demanding person who expects special treatment and attention.

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, BrianW said:

I love the Pre-Madonna! That's before her first album! :-)

That's funny. I met her, when I was with some co-workers, when she was singing in the lounge at the Barbary Coast in Las Vegas in March of 1984. There was just the six of us listening to her - we had walked across the street from Ballys. She sang Borderline and came over and sat down with us and told us that she had just released it as a single a few weeks before. Little did we know then how big she would become by the end of the year.

[midlifeflyer]

7 hours ago, BrianW said:

I love the Pre-Madonna! That's before her first album! :-)

I think the expression is "Prima Donna" meaning "First Lady" or the leading lady opera singer - now meaning a temperamental, egotistical, and demanding person who expects special treatment and attention.

There was something before Madonna? 

[Shawnson]

With the recent announcement of Dynon's STC approval for the F model, I will absolutely be going that route for my panel upgrade. However, while researching for that I was looking into Seattle Avionics for the Dynon updates. I came across their EFB FlyQ+ and thought it looked quite good. Does anyone have experience with it? I use GP right now but would consider that switch when I do the panel.

[LANCECASPER]

With the recent announcement of Dynon's STC approval for the F model, I will absolutely be going that route for my panel upgrade. However, while researching for that I was looking into Seattle Avionics for the Dynon updates. I came across their EFB FlyQ+ and thought it looked quite good. Does anyone have experience with it? I use GP right now but would consider that switch when I do the panel.

At one point they offered a lifetime subscription to FlyQ (to raise capital). This e-mail below as late as 2019:





Then as a really stupid move the next owner in 2024 basically told subscribers "How would we know you would live this long??" and canceled the lifetime subscription.

https://avweb.com/aviation-news/seattle-avionics-ends-lifetime-subscription-memberships-for-flyq-efb/

Later after an uproar they said, "Ok, you can keep it but on the version we give you we won't do any updates", rendering it almost useless. Out of general principle I wouldn't buy their EFB.

[midlifeflyer]

31 minutes ago, Shawnson said:

With the recent announcement of Dynon's STC approval for the F model, I will absolutely be going that route for my panel upgrade. However, while researching for that I was looking into Seattle Avionics for the Dynon updates. I came across their EFB FlyQ+ and thought it looked quite good. Does anyone have experience with it? I use GP right now but would consider that switch when I do the panel.

It was one of the multiple EGBs I subscribed to. In this case, special deal for CFIs. I stopped after the customer relations debacle, so my impressions might be a bit outdated.

I thin it's an excellent EFB for VFR use. Among other things, one of their acquisitions along the way was the airport diagrams from the little, brown FlightGuide books (for those who remember them). That means, like Foreflight and Pilot, they have their own set of airport diagrams for airports the FAA doesn't publish stand-alone diagrams for. Unlike FF and GP, they don't charge extra for them being georeferenced. I think that's a big plus for VFR pilots.

I never liked its flight planning. It had a bad habit of creating routes whenever you put in a departure and destination. But, last time I used it, the app  did not have the ability to access recently-cleared IFR routes. I think that has changed since, which would be a big plus for IFR, and perhaps flight planning in general.

Most everting else comes down to whether it has the features you want and, I think even more important, a flow you feel comfortable with.  That means taking advantage of the trial and playing round with it. 

[toto]

1 hour ago, midlifeflyer said:

Among other things, one of their acquisitions along the way was the airport diagrams from the little, brown FlightGuide books (for those who remember them).

Those little FlightGuide books were the best. One of the very few things I miss from the paper days. 
 

[good2eat]

22 minutes ago, toto said:

Those little FlightGuide books were the best. One of the very few things I miss from the paper days. 
 

I still have an old one!

[MikeOH]

17 minutes ago, toto said:

Those little FlightGuide books were the best. One of the very few things I miss from the paper days. 
 

You speak the truth!

I found that little book to be so easy to use to find needed airport info.  Much quicker than Foreflight, to be honest.

I think FlightGuide was a one man business and the owner's retirement coincided with the rise of EFB. I miss it, too.

[midlifeflyer]

33 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

You speak the truth!

I found that little book to be so easy to use to find needed airport info.  Much quicker than Foreflight, to be honest.

I think FlightGuide was a one man business and the owner's retirement coincided with the rise of EFB. I miss it, too.

They tried to make the transition. There was an iPad version, Flight Guide EFB that I think first appeared in 2010 or 2011. Here's an article on it from Aviation Consumer.  It didn't quite make it and I think they shut down 3-4 years later.  I forget what year FlyQ added them. This is a FlyQ chart I pulled out as an example when I had a FlyQ subscription. 

[midlifeflyer]

20 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

never liked its flight planning. It had a bad habit of creating routes whenever you put in a departure and destination. But, last time I used it, the app  did not have the ability to access recently-cleared IFR routes. I think that has changed since, which would be a big plus for IFR, and perhaps flight planning in general

I got curious and created a trial. Flight planning is as bad as I remember. It say it looks at recently cleared routes, but I don’t see it. And, if it does, it doesn’t let you choose. Just picks one for you. 

[201Mooniac]

6 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

I got curious and created a trial. Flight planning is as bad as I remember. It say it looks at recently cleared routes, but I don’t see it. And, if it does, it doesn’t let you choose. Just picks one for you. 

When you are on the form for trip planning, select view planned ATC routing and it will show you the list of previously issued routings and let you select the route and altitude.

[midlifeflyer]

1 hour ago, 201Mooniac said:

When you are on the form for trip planning, select view planned ATC routing and it will show you the list of previously issued routings and let you select the route and altitude.

Well, sort of. I just did a route from KSSI to KPMP. Turned on approved IFR routes. Result was "No recently approved IFR routes found," and made up a Victor airway routing.

Doing the same in Foreflight gave me 5 different ones that had been approved a combination of 63 times. 

Garmin Pilot: 7 given a combination of 37 times.

FltPlan.com shows more than the other two.

I know that different apps and sites which do this use different parameters for what they consider "recent",  but zero seems a bit unhelpful for planning purposes.

[201Mooniac]

18 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

Well, sort of. I just did a route from KSSI to KPMP. Turned on approved IFR routes. Result was "No recently approved IFR routes found," and made up a Victor airway routing.

Doing the same in Foreflight gave me 5 different ones that had been approved a combination of 63 times. 

Garmin Pilot: 7 given a combination of 37 times.

FltPlan.com shows more than the other two.

I know that different apps and sites which do this use different parameters for what they consider "recent",  but zero seems a bit unhelpful for planning purposes.

Interesting, I've never seen that.  I am also logged into FltPlan.com through my GP so maybe that helps.

[Pinecone]

On 1/2/2026 at 7:48 PM, midlifeflyer said:

It’s that way in civilian GA as well, although some don’t recognize the distinction and think their technique is procedure.

Exactly.

[Will.iam]

Oooh techcedures the act of someone trying to pass (usually their) techniques as procedures. The antidote to someone infected with techcedures is to ask them to show me where  that procedure is written? 

[midlifeflyer]

On 2/10/2026 at 12:01 AM, Will.iam said:

Oooh techcedures the act of someone trying to pass (usually their) techniques as procedures. The antidote to someone infected with techcedures is to ask them to show me where  that procedure is written? 

I like that word, but asking that question rarely provides an antidote. Besides, you’ll usually find the technique written somewhere.