Gear Up at KCVH on July 8, Third Major in 12 years For This Airplane

[Shadrach]

19 hours ago, 1980Mooney said:

I would love to be your insurance agent. No price sensitivity to “a  thousand here…. A thousand there.”  That is why private equity like Arcline are scooping up aviation related companies and why they are consolidating and jacking up prices. No one really cares. 

Mooney owners are a diverse group with very different views about what an airplane is used for and what is an acceptable amount of money to devote to aviation. You have folks on the same forum that spent in excess of $750k on their aircraft and folks that spent less than 10% of that.  Same with operating costs. A simple, vintage mooney can be operated for less than a C172 in terms of $$ per mile. It costs a lot more to go marginally faster.

There’s bound to be some large differences in opinion regarding what constitutes a significant expense. 
 

PE firms do what PE firms do…which squeeze out every drop of juice that they can.

[Echo]

5 hours ago, MikeOH said:

You need to check your hearing aid batteries

Let my clarify for the weisenhammer (kidding)...I do not normally have my gaer alarm sound while flying.  My gear is down BEFORE i alarms...

[GeeBee]

I've seen gear up landings with the gear horn blasting away. Common on multi-engine training flights. A friend of mine did  it in a Beech Duchess. Twice no less. He actually did his first gear up with the horn silent because he pulled the breaker to silence it. He never did that again but a few months later landed  gear up with the horn blaring because the horn became routine with the throttle back for simulated zero thrust. He gave up instruction and became an FAA inspector.

[hais]

I found a 7 years old video by Paul Bertorelli:

Top 10 Gear-Up:

Cessna 210 : 18%

Mooney : 10%

Beech Twins: 9%

Cessna Twins: 9%

Beech Bonanzas: 5%

Piper Comanche : 5%

Piper Twins: 5%

Cessna 172RG : 4%

Cessna 182RG : 4%

Piper Malibu : 4%

 

 

[skykrawler]

Seems like the the gear up probability for a given model is based on history.   Even if a technique that reduces "forget to extend" by half such that looks like a step function,  it will take several years for that to grind into the insurance sausage.  It depends on how the probability is computed in the insurance secret sauce.

 

[exM20K]

8 hours ago, hais said:

I found a 7 years old video by Paul Bertorelli:

Top 10 Gear-Up:

Cessna 210 : 18%

Mooney : 10%

Beech Twins: 9%

Cessna Twins: 9%

Beech Bonanzas: 5%

Piper Comanche : 5%

Piper Twins: 5%

Cessna 172RG : 4%

Cessna 182RG : 4%

Piper Malibu : 4%

 

 

Do you have a link? Unless normalized by cycles/hours flown/fleet size over the survey period, the numbers don’t mean much.

-dan

[hais]

9 hours ago, exM20K said:

Do you have a link? Unless normalized by cycles/hours flown/fleet size over the survey period, the numbers don’t mean much.

-dan

 

It doesn't say whether normalized, but given that it's tabulated in %, I think it's not.

 

[PT20J]

Hard to normalize because there is no reliable source for hours flown. Maybe now that most everyone has ADS-B …

P210 likely a lot of mechanical failures

[Hank]

1 hour ago, PT20J said:

Hard to normalize because there is no reliable source for hours flown. Maybe now that most everyone has ADS-B …

P210 likely a lot of mechanical failures

Doesn't look like he even normalized for fleet size, just added up thr numbers for each type. 

[Justin Schmidt]

On 7/19/2024 at 1:11 PM, Echo said:

Do you normally hear your gear alarm?  I do not. Son? PFFT.

I do, I test it every flight in cruise. The easy things to check every flight.

[Justin Schmidt]

On 7/19/2024 at 4:27 PM, Echo said:

Lol.  Lost in translation.  They are called son-alerts.

My bad, looked like you wanted an old fashioned WWF smackdown 

[GeeBee]

The other thing is normalizing for mechanical failure. The Cessna 210 has an enormously complex system, especially the early engine driven hydraulic models and gravity is not your friend when a landing gear saddle or actuator fails.