Bummer, another Mooney down

[N201MKTurbo]

@ragedracer1977 just sent me this link. He is Brice's hangar neighbor.

https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/local/communities/oxnard/2022/06/10/plane-crashes-oxnard-field/7581132001/

 

Edited June 10, 2022 by N201MKTurbo

[N201MKTurbo]

I just heard he may be a Mooneyspacer. N305L

Edited June 10, 2022 by N201MKTurbo

[EricJ]

He sent that to me as well.   I didn't know the pilot but had seen the airplane around.    Very sad to see, especially that it was a local guy.

There are so many Mooneys at DVT it's impossible to know everybody, which seems to make it a little sadder.

 

[Skates97]

At 7:30am CMA was reporting 3sm, mist, overcast at 300ft. 

[N201MKTurbo]

1 minute ago, Skates97 said:

At 7:30am CMA was reporting 3sm, mist, overcast at 300ft. 

There is a picture of the crash site. The weather doesn't look very good.

https://keyt.com/news/ventura-county/2022/06/10/small-plane-possible-hit-building-before-crashing-into-strawberry-fields-near-oxnard-airport-one-potential-fatality/

[Skates97]

2 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

There is a picture of the crash site. The weather doesn't look very good.

https://keyt.com/news/ventura-county/2022/06/10/small-plane-possible-hit-building-before-crashing-into-strawberry-fields-near-oxnard-airport-one-potential-fatality/

Yes, crummy weather but pretty common there during June, the "June Gloom" they always talk about. He was really low to clip those buildings, which from the tweet with the approximate location from the fire department are about 2 miles off the departure end of the runway and about 2,500' to the right of centerline. I can't imagine why he wasn't much higher by that point, unless he got disoriented when he went into the clouds or had some kind of a mechanical problem.

[MooneyMitch]

So very, very sad for all. 

[Rick Junkin]

I'm very sad to hear of this tragedy. I've notified @mike_elliott and we would appreciate PMs from those with information on how to contact the pilot's surviving family to offer assistance from the Bill Gilliland Foundation.

[Yetti]

[EricJ]

9 minutes ago, Yetti said:

Ouch.   That's a wingtip.   He must have been moving if he still flew across the freeway without that much wing.   Explains why it may have already been on fire or leaking fuel, though.

[DCarlton]

CRQ is further south but ceilings were very low today near the beach.  Only a few hundred feet.  Guessing they had similar weather.  

4 hours ago, Skates97 said:

At 7:30am CMA was reporting 3sm, mist, overcast at 300ft. 

Same down at CRQ today along the coast.  I waited an hour before I took off.  

[carusoam]

Prayers for the lost airman…

-a-

[carusoam]

Somebody in the media actually has skills of both fire fighting and aviation….

-a-

 

[LANCECASPER]

Final-
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/ ... 105237/pdf

Docket-
https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=105237

[LANCECASPER]

"The pilot had cardiovascular disease, including moderate coronary artery disease, an
implanted pacemaker/defibrillator, and mitral valve replacement. The pilot’s medical certificate
had expired 6 years before the accident. In 2019 he began flying under the provisions of
BasicMed, which is an alternate way for pilots to fly without holding an FAA medical certificate.
The pilot’s history of mitral valve replacement would have required a special issuance medical
certificate for BasicMed. No such issuance was obtained; therefore the pilot did not possess
valid medical certification for the flight"

[NewMoon]

13 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

"The pilot had cardiovascular disease, including moderate coronary artery disease, an
implanted pacemaker/defibrillator, and mitral valve replacement. The pilot’s medical certificate
had expired 6 years before the accident. In 2019 he began flying under the provisions of
BasicMed, which is an alternate way for pilots to fly without holding an FAA medical certificate.
The pilot’s history of mitral valve replacement would have required a special issuance medical
certificate for BasicMed. No such issuance was obtained; therefore the pilot did not possess
valid medical certification for the flight"

and we wonder why insurance rates are on the rise

[hammdo]

And not IFR current too…

-Don

[RescueMunchkin]

1 hour ago, NewMoon said:

and we wonder why insurance rates are on the rise

If you're referring to aircraft insurance, wouldn't the pilot being not legal to fly be a cause for the insurer to refuse any kind of payment?

[LANCECASPER]

26 minutes ago, RescueMunchkin said:

If you're referring to aircraft insurance, wouldn't the pilot being not legal to fly be a cause for the insurer to refuse any kind of payment?

You would think, right? But I've never heard of them denying a claim for that, but @Parker_Woodruff would be a good source for that question.

[kortopates]

30 minutes ago, RescueMunchkin said:

If you're referring to aircraft insurance, wouldn't the pilot being not legal to fly be a cause for the insurer to refuse any kind of payment?

My policy has no such exclusions and I am sure that is the norm.

Just possibly if they can show the pilot misrepresented their status on their application for coverage just maybe they would pursue that, but that's not the typical and they don't typically deny coverage because a pilots flight review or medical has lapsed during the policy period. But lying about it might be different. But the NTSB report isn't saying the pilot misrepresented their basic med status but that his previous heart condition disqualified him for a Basic Med. 

[kortopates]

1 hour ago, hammdo said:

And not IFR current too…

-Don

Sadly a big understatement.

All should review the pilot's log book in the docket. It highlights IMO a callous disregard for maintaining and logging instrument currency requirements. I counted 10 log book pages for the last 10 years, 1 per year, rarely logging individual flights but almost entirely just summary entries. Only logging actual instrument time in summary entries involving many hours without naming approaches, departures, holding etc. Notes may indicate IFR work, such as ILS's RNAV's but never logged actual approaches by name nor logged a single practice instrument approach under the hood in the 10 years I saw; except logging simulated instrument during a flight review by instructor. No IPC endorsements in the back either.  Can only imagine what an Inspector would conclude when the pilot was last "legal" to file an IFR flight plan.

I seriously doubt the medical status had anything to do with his accident, the reports finding was Spatial Disorientation.

Why do smart people keep reminding us that IMC flying, especially low IMC, should only be flown by instrument "proficient" pilots?

His wife said, that he had no appointments, meetings, or compelling reason to return home on the day of the accident. 

At the time of departure they cited a 300 ceiling with 4 mi vis.

[Shadrach]

1 hour ago, RescueMunchkin said:

If you're referring to aircraft insurance, wouldn't the pilot being not legal to fly be a cause for the insurer to refuse any kind of payment?

That is not how insurance works in almost any area of life. Insurance companies do not deny claims based on bad behavior.  The deny claims based on policy exclusions. 

If you get hit and are permanently injured by a drunk driver, the drunk driver's insurance is still liable for your damages even though he knowingly engaged in risky and illegal behavior. If he misses you all together but destroy his own car, insurance still replaces his car (if he has full coverage).  Insurance covers negligence and poor judgement as well as bad luck. The system won't really work any other way.  Such a system would require that every single claim be adjudicated by an independent third party.

[Echo]

What if, Nevermind...

[MikeOH]

To reiterate @Shadrach, and others, what do you buy insurance for?  To cover YOUR MISTAKES!  Do you really want to pay for a policy that is going to deny YOU coverage because YOU broke a rule?  Be VERY careful for what you wish for when saying, "You would think" insurers should deny coverage for legally errant pilots.

Ask yourself how many accident reports you have read where the pilot was innocent of any and all transgressions.  

[Echo]

9 hours ago, RescueMunchkin said:

If you're referring to aircraft insurance, wouldn't the pilot being not legal to fly be a cause for the insurer to refuse any kind of payment?

There is the world you and I would like to live in.  A world where an accident is not confused with a deliberate ommission and breaking of rules/laws resulting in punishment.  A world where deliberate breaking of the law has negative consequence.  A world where society does not pick up the tab for "transgressions".  That world is no more.  THIS world will see the continued discontinuation of insurance and closing of business and hobbies that many enjoy legally and safely...you know because equity.  Merit is so yesterday.  Playing by the rules?  Tut tut.  Hold my beer.