GeneralT001 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Any thoughts on this one? It shows only a 200HP engine...does that matter? https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/209191147/1983-mooney-m20j-201-piston-single-aircraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip_g Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, GeneralT001 said: Any thoughts on this one? It shows only a 200HP engine...does that matter? https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/209191147/1983-mooney-m20j-201-piston-single-aircraft Most j are only 200hp? Paint looks good. Panel needs about 60k. I think it's overpriced but I'm cheap. Hopefully you're Canadian. It's especially overpriced to deal with import headaches.id rather have a mid time engine than 0 time. Edited November 30, 2021 by philip_g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, GeneralT001 said: Any thoughts on this one? It shows only a 200HP engine...does that matter? https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/209191147/1983-mooney-m20j-201-piston-single-aircraft Hmm, that one raises a couple of red flags. The logs on-line don't show any entries after 2019, yet the ad talks about a October 2021 overhaul. Then, you see the prop was OHed in April 2021. Sounds like a prop strike to me. Old avionics. I'm with philip_g; I'd much rather have a mid-time, known engine than a cheap OH to sell. (I practice what I preach; I bought my F with an over TBO engine that was consistently flown and maintained. Four years and four-hundred hours in and it's still running great!) IMHO, this is an overpriced paint job with no engine history and old avionics. I'd move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, MikeOH said: Hmm, that one raises a couple of red flags. The logs on-line don't show any entries after 2019, yet the ad talks about a October 2021 overhaul. Then, you see the prop was OHed in April 2021. Sounds like a prop strike to me. Old avionics. I'm with philip_g; I'd much rather have a mid-time, known engine than a cheap OH to sell. (I practice what I preach; I bought my F with an over TBO engine that was consistently flown and maintained. Four years and four-hundred hours in and it's still running great!) IMHO, this is an overpriced paint job with no engine history and old avionics. I'd move on. It’s in my shop at the moment. Fresh engine, fresh prop, fresh annual…….. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, M20Doc said: It’s in my shop at the moment. Fresh engine, fresh prop, fresh annual…….. Clarence @M20Doc Did it have a prop strike? Just odd the logs available in the ad stop in 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will.iam Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Well if it did have a prop strike wouldn’t a full overhauled engine be better than a tear down for a prop strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, MikeOH said: @M20Doc Did it have a prop strike? Just odd the logs available in the ad stop in 2019 No prop strike. The current owner wanted better maintenance, the last maintainer was letting too many things slide. In Canada we have a 10 year prop overhaul requirement, this one was 7 years overdue as an example. The engine was overhauled by Reliable Horse Power, Prop and governor by Hope Aero. Mount was overhauled, new mounts, bolts baffles baffle seals, fresh pitot static, auto pilot servos done, new 406 ELT, on and on. Prop and engine dates don’t match, the prop was done and returned before the engine was completed. Crankcase overhaul took forever at CSI( there was another thread on this) I haven’t signed the logs as of yet, so if it sells it does get a fresh sign off. If the owner wants it back sooner it will get a December Annual. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralT001 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 I appreciate the conversation on this and the effort to dig into it a bit. Any Mooney I do buy I fully intend to upgrade to something along these lines....so would like to be able to get a more basic plane model and spend on that upgrade....is this a sound approach?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Link Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think it’s a matter of money. If you can afford to blow your budget on a decent J model and afford 80k for a panel that’s a good way to go. Otherwise I’d get a nice F model and spend 80k on a panel. Having just spent 80k on a new panel if I could turn back the clock I would have included F models in my search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralT001 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lance Link said: I think it’s a matter of money. If you can afford to blow your budget on a decent J model and afford 80k for a panel that’s a good way to go. Otherwise I’d get a nice F model and spend 80k on a panel. Having just spent 80k on a new panel if I could turn back the clock I would have included F models in my search. Thanks...I will take that to heart....would there be a model year you wouldn't go past?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, GeneralT001 said: Thanks...I will take that to heart....would there be a model year you wouldn't go past?? If you start looking at Fs, then I think the 'newest' is mid-70s; 45 years old! So, I'd be more concerned with the condition of the plane you are considering, rather than the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver LFA Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, M20Doc said: The engine was overhauled by Reliable Horse Power. Enough said, as a very satisfied customer I can assure you all this a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip_g Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) I sure wish I had a 24v electrical. I'd prioritize that but my needs are different than yours Edited November 30, 2021 by philip_g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 47 minutes ago, bluehighwayflyer said: Since I already own a vintage Mooney that would be one thing, but I wouldn’t buy one with the intention of investing that much into the panel, personally. You’re going to very quickly price a F out of it’s market with a panel like that. You should just go ahead and buy a J. They have more headroom. Bob Belville didn't worry about that when he redid his E. And Bennett put much more into his J. Both planes sold quickly, to happy new owners, when their times came. Buy the Mooney in the best mechanical shape that you can find, that has been flown regularly. Fly it a while to see how it works and what you like, then redo it to suit your budget and needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think it’s a matter of money. If you can afford to blow your budget on a decent J model and afford 80k for a panel that’s a good way to go. Otherwise I’d get a nice F model and spend 80k on a panel. The J will have a higher resale price, if can afford to spend $80k on the panel, you can afford a J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralT001 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Just an update....I Bought it!! WTH!! Happy to be the proud owner of a Mooney Edited November 30, 2021 by GeneralT001 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Looking good! Now get a good, experienced Mooney CFII and learn to fly it right! Where are you based? Someone may be nearby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralT001 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Meh...I've got 6,000 hrs (35 yrs military pilot) 7 tours in Afghanistan at the controls of a C130 flying tactical I am currently buzzing around in a C172 and did fly a Mooney X-ctry back in the 80's.. It will be a bit of a transition but I'm up for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Congratulations! Lots of fun ahead. Panel will be sweet when upgraded. New engine/Prop - and you get to break it in... ;o) -Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralT001 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, hammdo said: Congratulations! Lots of fun ahead. Panel will be sweet when upgraded. New engine/Prop - and you get to break it in... ;o) -Don Yeas...I'm gonna have to brush up on the correct way to break an engine in...so far all I've been told is to "run it hard" for the first 25 hrs....I'll try and expand on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 Congratulations! I'd be good with anything M20Doc has inspected! Enjoy!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver LFA Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 hours ago, GeneralT001 said: Yeas...I'm gonna have to brush up on the correct way to break an engine in...so far all I've been told is to "run it hard" for the first 25 hrs....I'll try and expand on that Talk to the guy that built it, better yet, meet him in person when you go to pick the airplane up and discuss his recommended break-in procedure. Ron Poelstra is not your average guy putting re-manufactured parts back together to form an engine, this guy is top notch. He may have even run it on his test stand for a few hours before it went back on the airplane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralT001 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Culver LFA said: Talk to the guy that built it, better yet, meet him in person when you go to pick the airplane up and discuss his recommended break-in procedure. Ron Poelstra is not your average guy putting re-manufactured parts back together to form an engine, this guy is top notch. He may have even run it on his test stand for a few hours before it went back on the airplane. Thats great to know and I will do my best to get that feedback/advice. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver LFA Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, GeneralT001 said: Thats great to know and I will do my best to get that feedback/advice. Thanks And I should have started with a congratulations, that's a sweet ride! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PT20J Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 I always thought Mike Bush's advice sound: Buy the newest, lowest time airframe you can find because that's the one thing you can't replace. Better if you can find an appropriately discounted one with a run out engine because you then have control over the quality of the overhaul. Good luck trying to find one with the avionics you want. The installation cost for the new Garmin stuff costs at least half the price of the equipment and the insurance company figures a 40% immediate depreciation on the hardware. So unless you find an estate sale, no one is likely to part with a recently upgraded panel and take that loss. Better to find one with avionics you can live with for a while and then decide what you really need. Skip 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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