My IO-360A3B6 is making metal (and I’m going to be losing coins)

[tgardnerh]

* engine Iran with new oil pump, cam and followers, cylinder OHs and consumables.  

What was the difference in scope of work and in price between your iran and a full overhaul?


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[jetdriven]

1 hour ago, 201Steve said:

Good for you, Brad. The good news is, it was only down for six months one time.

I elected to have the beloved Jewell do my engine  and within 60 hours it started eating the cam. That was after they screwed up everything else they attempted to work on. So it went down for another 6 months. Now that Ive given them plenty of time to do something by way of the right thing, and they’ve chosen to do nothing, I’ll be posting the full PIREP soon. BUT I just got it back from Zephyr and Cole and am ecstatic with the work, and to be flying again. 

Congrats!

This is a client of mine who got his engine back from Jewel for a cracked case case replacement. They used a case shop in Tulsa who is known to cut corners, and low and behold, it’s leaking a quart every three hours from a blind hole. Lycoming says replace the case because it’s cracked and it can’t be leaking oil from the blind hole….Jewel said squirt glue in the hole and put a bolt in it and go on it’s fine cover it up.  You guys spend your money where you want to, but this is where you’re going to get from Sam Jewell because it is proven verifiable fact.

[201Steve]

24 minutes ago, jetdriven said:

You guys spend your money where you want to, but this is where you’re going to get from Sam Jewell because it is proven verifiable fact.

Sounds about right. You’re going to love my PIREP write up, then because it’s chock full of fun pictures, boggling communications, and ineptitudes. I tried to deal with them like a professional and keep the situation between parties but Sam is probably succumbing to old age/dementia and David has the overall disposition of a toddler so that was a complete waste of time. 

[bradp]

13 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

If it’s not to personal, how bad was the parts bill for the engine?

6AMU parts, 5 labor, 1.3 cyls and 1 amu freight 

[bradp]

10 hours ago, tgardnerh said:

 

What was the difference in scope of work and in price between your iran and a full overhaul?


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It was about double for OH vs IRAN.  I didn’t get new mags / fuel sender / new cylinders.  Good luck getting new cylinders.  I thought IRAN path would be a better overall value and I know the bottom of the engine is good. 

[bradp]

BTW Matt Ammerman is the engine shop guy at Midwest and he was a total professional and great with communication.  

[Igor_U]

On 5/13/2022 at 9:05 PM, 201Steve said:

Sounds about right. You’re going to love my PIREP write up, then because it’s chock full of fun pictures, boggling communications, and ineptitudes. I tried to deal with them like a professional and keep the situation between parties but Sam is probably succumbing to old age/dementia and David has the overall disposition of a toddler so that was a complete waste of time. 

Ouch!$

Sad to hear about your and Byron's experience. When I got a quite from them for the OH of my IO360 I thought it's too good to be true. Discussing with my IA, a lot of things were not included and by adding them, price came up close to other shop. Big thing for us was they wouldn't run the engine on a test stand before shipping to back to WA. Eventually I went with Lycoming rebuilt engine. it was $$ but worth it.

 

 

Edit:

I just looked it up and the price of a rebuilt went up $10k since January 2021! Crazy!!!

[201Steve]

3 hours ago, Igor_U said:

Discussing with my IA, a lot of things were not included and by adding them, price came up close to other shop

True- Good point and I will add that point to my write up. I learned a lot about what the industry as a consensus considers an overhaul. Jewell has their own definition, doesn't do what 90% of other shops do, and simply calls it an overhaul via a logbook entry. While you will have a signature calling it an overhaul, it's not really an overhaul if you ask 9 out of 10 engine shops. More of an R&R.

[KSMooniac]

Glad you got through that ordeal relatively quickly. Midwest is a great shop!

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[Guest]

1 hour ago, 201Steve said:

True- Good point and I will add that point to my write up. I learned a lot about what the industry as a consensus considers an overhaul. Jewell has their own definition, doesn't do what 90% of other shops do, and simply calls it an overhaul via a logbook entry. While you will have a signature calling it an overhaul, it's not really an overhaul if you ask 9 out of 10 engine shops. More of an R&R.

I’ve always questioned their pricing, it just didn’t add up how they could be so much lower than most of the other shops out there.  I’d be curious about the longevity of their engines compared to others.

Clarence

[A64Pilot]

The FAA definition of an overhaul loosely corresponds to disassembly, cleaning inspection and reassembly and testing. Parts that don’t meet min serviceability standards are of course replaced. There are two standards, new and serviceable, I use new standards.

That’s the min requirement

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/43.2

Forget the rebuilt part, that’s only the manufacturer or their designated representative and as far as I know Lycoming or Continental hasn’t designated anyone.

 So an overhaul can be very limited in its scope by merely replacing worn out parts or it can be an in-depth inspection and repair.

All overhauls are not equal, except to the FAA, meet the min and it’s an overhaul

Edited May 18, 2022 by A64Pilot