carusoam Posted August 25, 2019 Report Posted August 25, 2019 All you need to do is stretch the tail some, and maybe the nose a bit... Add a couple of turbos to narrow the likenesses up front... Go Acclaim! Best regards, -a- Quote
tigers2007 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 We might be beat:https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196052/beech-qu-22b/https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2014/september/pilot/f_bonanzaSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
takair Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, tigers2007 said: We might be beat:https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196052/beech-qu-22b/https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2014/september/pilot/f_bonanza Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That thing needs rhinoplasty. 2 Quote
EricJ Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) "In 1972, after the loss of several aircraft, the USAF cancelled the QU-22 program." I suspect that means that they weren't hard to shoot down. Edited August 26, 2019 by EricJ Quote
bradp Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 Nice to know I you really could sit two aside in a mustang. Quote
FloridaMan Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 I bet the tit numbers and WnB issues of the turbo Mooneys would be a lot better if they’d looked to the P47 3 Quote
EricJ Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) I never knew the P-47 had a turbo system like that. Most of the big radials had a mechanical supercharger, but I hadn't seen a setup like that before. Edited August 26, 2019 by EricJ 1 Quote
jaylw314 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 10 hours ago, FloridaMan said: I bet the tit numbers and WnB issues of the turbo Mooneys would be a lot better if they’d looked to the P47 Holy smokes Quote
Tom Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 I'd suggest that the Navion comes out ahead, even if it cheated a bit. 1 Quote
RobertGary1 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 I think the Swift wins this hands down but its nice to get an honorable mention. The Swift was a fun plane to fly, although under powered. -Robert 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said: I think the Swift wins this hands down but its nice to get an honorable mention. The Swift was a fun plane to fly, although under powered. -Robert When I lived in Colorado in the 80s, there was a guy with a Swift with a TSIO 360. I rode in it a few times. It wasn’t underpowered! 2 Quote
bonal Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 Looking at the plan form of the Mooney wing plus the laminar design make it a great comparison. My first thought was to the Swift and I like the Navion as well. But if I had to make the best match for the Swift it would be to the P40 1 Quote
EricJ Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said: When I lived in Colorado in the 80s, there was a guy with a Swift with a TSIO 360. I rode in it a few times. It wasn’t underpowered! A friend at DVT has one with the 210hp Continental IO-360 from a Cessna 337. Awesome little airplane. I don't think I've flown anything with lighter controls. The guy that owns it said you can do a loop with two fingers. Quote
KSMooniac Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 I'd love to have a Navion with a Merlin on the front.Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk Quote
Seth Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 The original mold for the leading edge of the Mooney is the same press used we think from the actual P-51 as the mold at the factory had two holes (for guns). It was purchased from North American thus it's from the P-51B or P-51C wing. DNA of the Mooney literally is from North American - now that would be a marketing piece. -Seth 3 Quote
EricJ Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 The M20 wings were initially wooden and designed to a NACA 63-215 airfoil, which has been maintained throughout production. The P-51s wings are dimensionally different and have a much higher wing loading. The only classification I could find on them was "NACA 6-series". I suspect the leading edges are not the same. Quote
carusoam Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 The Navion was built by North American... high probability of shared DNA. At least their marketing people believed it... As far as Swifts go... there was a well known Mooney guy that really liked them too... and added a turbine! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_LoPresti presented by Roy and family... Just adding to the conversation... Best regards, -a- 2 Quote
FloridaMan Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 20 hours ago, jaylw314 said: Holy smokes Now I’m starting to wonder if there was any need for a heater in those. Quote
bonal Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 13 hours ago, carusoam said: The Navion was built by North American... high probability of shared DNA. At least their marketing people believed it... As far as Swifts go... there was a well known Mooney guy that really liked them too... and added a turbine! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_LoPresti presented by Roy and family... Just adding to the conversation... Best regards, -a- Ha, at nine minutes into the video the Swift was modeled after the Curtiss P40 1 Quote
201er Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 19 hours ago, carusoam said: The Navion was built by North American... high probability of shared DNA. At least their marketing people believed it... As far as Swifts go... there was a well known Mooney guy that really liked them too... and added a turbine! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_LoPresti presented by Roy and family... Just adding to the conversation... Best regards, -a- What a waste of time and resources. Had they put that engine on the Mooney, they'd be selling more than 10 planes a year right now! Quote
carusoam Posted August 28, 2019 Report Posted August 28, 2019 Had something been able to keep Mr. LoPresti at Mooney.... Had computerized numerical analysis been available... The video is interesting... it discusses CAD and all the PCs are sitting on old drawing boards... When all that stuff came together... why did the three seat diesel M10T and J not fly? what if it got a turbine, an IO360, or an IO550? Is the Mooney evolution not finished yet? Best regards, -a- Quote
MB65E Posted August 28, 2019 Report Posted August 28, 2019 My guess is that Mooney was already a well designed. Roy did help with the 201, but I imagine Piper needed more help and that’s where the late model pipers came to be. They had much more to improve upon. I Really love the Swift, just didn’t have an efficient wing on it. It’s the coolest fastest looking slowest airplane there is. The Marchetti 260TP is really neat too but even with all that HP, it’s not that fast. It would be really neat to see a Allison 250 on a J model. You’d need a lot of gas, and it would probably become only a 2pl airplane. There’s a guy in Austria that has a Allison 250 on a 360 sized Lancair. Looks amazing!!! Never knew about the Swift Fire. Thanks for sharing. Sorry I was a little off Locher airfield in Italy. SS508, 16, 39058 Sarntal, Südtirol, Italy Not exactly a Lancair either. :-). -Matt Quote
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