Bartman Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 Dale Earnhardt Jr just crashed at Elizabethton about 3 hours after we landed. We came in on runway 24 which basically you fly in the valley, turn the base leg over the hill and then turn final. When we turned final we caught a tailwind out of nowhere and I actually landed about half way. Based on my limited information and knowledge of the area I would say that’s what happened to them. Reports are he, wife, kids are OK and that all I know. 1 Quote
Oldmooney Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 Oh no....I hate to hear this. I will try to ask him. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Quote
RobertGary1 Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 Report I read is that they are hospitalized and expected to release a statement. Quote
carusoam Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 News travels fast on MS... https://www.foxnews.com/auto/dale-earnhardt-jr-tennessee-plane-crash-nascar quote from the story... I can confirm Dale, Amy & Isla along with his two pilots were involved in a crash in Bristol TN this afternoon. Everyone is safe and has been taken to the hospital for further evaluation. We have no further information at this time. Thank you for your understanding,” Kelley Earnhardt wrote in a tweet. Amy is Dale's wife, and Isla is their 1-year-old daughter. pic included burning plane... Best regards, -a- Quote
RogueOne Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 Glad they all escaped. That photo shows could of been catastrophic injuries. Quote
Shadow Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 Cessna Citation according to the Fox News video. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
EricJ Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shadow said: Cessna Citation according to the Fox News video. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Dunno what's up with them lately with celebrity connections:https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2019/08/06/pinks-crew-plane-crash-lands-denmark-4-americans-aboard/1930890001/ Quote
Oldmooney Posted August 15, 2019 Report Posted August 15, 2019 Yep. Everyone ok, including pilots. Everyone tight lipped pending investigation. Glad everyone is ok!Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk 1 Quote
Sabremech Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 I wouldn’t call this a crash but rather they went off the end of the runway. 1 Quote
Mark89114 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 Not to speculate....but is/was dale the pilot? The nascar guys have a poor record of safety when the driver is also a pilot. Quote
Bartman Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Posted August 16, 2019 According to reports everyone is safe and uninjured and that is the main thing. Cessna Citation destroyed in the post crash fire. Yes I should have said they ran off the end of the runway, but what I hastily posted is a copy of a txt I sent to someone and I didn’t have time to fix it on the road. Anyway no injuries and local police, EMS and fire departments did their jobs well. AWOS reported winds as light and variable as we approached, but this is an airport surrounded by mountains and you gotta be on your game and expect the unexpected winds and downdrafts. When we turned final I said to my wife we have a tailwind. I even said to her we may need to go around but with just a little slip we settled down and landed about half way. That’s the farthest we ever touched down at this airport, but we were poised for the precautionary go-around but was not necessary. Quote
Bartman Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Posted August 16, 2019 The reason we flew in today was to reposition the airplane to go to DTS tomorrow morning. Airport is reported as open and even though my airplane is airworthy and all, I still don’t relish the thought of going there with two alphabet agencies on the grounds. Quote
Shadrach Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 4500 is not a tremendous amount of runway for a Soveriegn. Edited August 16, 2019 by Shadrach Quote
Yetti Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 It's way too early for this. and it puts my really warped sense of humor out there, but I laughed. 1 Quote
Guest Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 I heard he was flying in formation in the Citation Caravan.......or was that with a Cessna Caravan when they touched the runway. Only those who know aren’t saying. Clarence Quote
Mooneymite Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Shadrach said: 4500 is not a tremendous amount of runway for a Soveriegn. It was a Latitude, wasn't it? Not a Sovereign. Quote
Shadrach Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, Mooneymite said: It was a Latitude, wasn't it? Not a Sovereign. You’re right. Media report I read said 680 but a little digging shows it was a 680A. Seems on the tight side either way. More so on takeoff but if they landed 24 the also had a 429’ displaced threshold. Doesn’t seem like a lot of margin for a passenger flight but you’d know better than I. Quote
Hank Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Mark89114 said: Not to speculate....but is/was dale the pilot? The nascar guys have a poor record of safety when the driver is also a pilot. The news report above said that Dale, his wife, daughter and both pilots were taken to the hospital. So it appears he was riding in the back. Quote
aviatoreb Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 Did I read right that he had two pro pilots at the helm? I am presuming they are mostly uninjured too? It will be interesting to hear what happened. Quote
Austintatious Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Shadrach said: 4500 is not a tremendous amount of runway for a Soveriegn. There are a lot of factors, but I would hope 4500 feet would be plenty for a citation... I regularly land a G650 on 4700 feet! I am glad they all made it out ok.... Overruns on landings are quite common, especially in entry level jets. Here's the deal... Corporate pilots make most of their landings on long runways... The strive to grease the aircraft onto the runway to impress the boss and then use light braking to make things smooth. Furthermore they slack on speed control or add a few more knots above Vref for a perceived added safety margin. Then inevitably, they end up going into a short field. Their muscle memory is working against them. The numbers say they can stop, but the numbers are based on MAX EFFORT... They come in, flair and float, touch down and begin braking lightly... pretty soon they see the end of the runway coming up fast and even with full brake application they cannot stop it. Throw in another factor like an unexpected tailwind or a wet / slippery runway and it is a prime situation for an accident. When I was instructing and checking at a 142 school I dealt with this constantly. The FAA became so sick of overrun accidents that they mandated an acceptable touchdown area for checking, since it had not been specified previously. It was a real issue trying to get pilots to actually touch down inside the box. PRO pilots flying for 91K and 135 ops. When I went back to flying I have abandoned the idea of greasing the aircraft onto the runway and using light brakes, even on the long ones since we go into a lot of short fields and I want to stay sharp in both getting it on the ground and slowing rapidly. It also conditions the passengers to that sort of landing. Edited August 16, 2019 by Austintatious 6 Quote
David_H Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 18 hours ago, Bartman said: AWOS reported winds as light and variable as we approached, but this is an airport surrounded by mountains and you gotta be on your game and expect the unexpected winds and downdrafts. The surrounding terrain at 0A9 can make a seemingly normal approach (or departure) challenging. Quote
Mark89114 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 Did some quick and dirty research and got typical internet sales and marketing nonsense, found numbers from 2200 to 3600 feet for required landing distance, no idea on weights, temps, etc. Back when I was flying a Hawker 800 professionally we weren't allowed to do anything less that 4500 without getting permission. If you read the performance charts that number could be ridiculously low, seems to me like 2500 feet, obviously that was max effort, standing on the brakes. I never had to do anything that dramatic but I am sure it would shake and rattle everything loose. As someone else mentioned carrying extra speed over the fence is the biggest user of runway. I flew with one guy, supposedly more experienced that floated a thousand feet every time. He was a moron, one time we used 4500 feet in a Citation 500 series which is easy to fly. You would be surprised at the number of borderline competent people flying jets, this incident just proved that. 1 1 Quote
David_H Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 KTRI is just over the mountain from 0A9. The pilots likely had a compelling reason to land at 0A9 instead. Quote
ArtVandelay Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 Apparently security video shows they bounced twice.Tom Quote
Austintatious Posted August 16, 2019 Report Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: Apparently security video shows they bounced twice. Tom Go around not an option at that field? Quote
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