FLIGHT REVIEW, WHAT DO YOU DO?

[Mooneymite]

53 minutes ago, donkaye said:

 and inadvertently violate an FAR 

You mean the fuzz won't forgive that buzz job by the tower?  

[cnoe]

Let me emphasize one more time.  If you have completed a phase of the Wings Program and inadvertently violate an FAR and are called on it, you get a "Get out of Jail Free" card once every 18 months.  None of us want to have an infraction, but the free pass is nice to have in reserve.
 

Like the NASA ASRS program, but without having to even send in the report?

Is this documented somewhere? I just scanned the "Team Rewards" webpage, the Wings Manual" pdf, the "Learn More" webpage, plus AC 61-91J and can find no mention of this benefit. Perhaps I missed it in all the mumbo jumbo.

In the Advisory Circular it states...

Incentive Awards. Airmen who participate in the program and satisfactorily complete a current phase of WINGS will not have to complete the flight review requirements of 14 CFR part 61, § 61.56. Section 61.56(e) states that participating airmen do not need to accomplish the flight review requirements of part 61 if, since the beginning of the 24th calendar-month before the month in which that pilot acts as pilot-in-command (PIC), he or she has satisfactorily accomplished one or more phases of an FAA-sponsored pilot proficiency award program. Each time a pilot earns a new phase of WINGS, it satisfies the flight review requirement regardless of how frequently or closely spaced the phase or award.

... but that doesn't address any forgiveness benefit.

I guess that's one of the issues many of us have; there are dozens of pages and tens-of-thousands of words to describe what should be a fairly simple program.

Thanks to MS I'm learning more about it with each post.


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[midlifeflyer]

2 hours ago, cnoe said:

It wasn't clear to me that 3 phases of flight could be signed off on one flight (assuming the pilot was proficient/adequate in the skills). That certainly would help.

Thanks for that clarification.


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The program allows for choices. You can do the equivalent of the flight credits in one session. Or you can space your recurrent training in a way that produces a benefit.

[midlifeflyer]

On 6/5/2017 at 3:37 PM, donkaye said:

Let me emphasize one more time.  If you have completed a phase of the Wings Program and inadvertently violate an FAR and are called on it, you get a "Get out of Jail Free" card once every 18 months.  None of us want to have an infraction, but the free pass is nice to have in reserve.

 

The FAA has always considered WINGS participation to be one of a number of indicators of a constructive attitude when making the discretionary deduction whether or how to sanction, but I've never seen or heard of a formal policy like you are describing. If you have a reference, I'd really like to see it to include it in the seminars I do.

Besides, I kind of doubt that even under the current "compliance philosophy," under which an isolated, inadvertent deviation is not likely to result in certificate action, a pilot who violated an FAR every 18 months would get much of a free ride (unless it was a 709 ride with an inspector).

[Yetti]

I think this thread has been one of the more useful.   I learned that you have to click on the Wings link and follow the program given to you.  Kind of quirqky and does not return you to were it should.  Before I was just clicking and taking courses under "courses" Course number don't match Don's till you get to the Wings programs.  I have three certificates and will go fly with my CFI

[jlunseth]

I am choosy about who I do a BFR with.  Generally, I go to a PPP because the instructors are veteran Mooney pilots from whom I can learn something.  If I do one here locally, most of the CFI's are 500 hour wonders just out of school.  I don't mean to denigrate them, they are pursuing a career.  But quite a few of them have not flown in anything more complicated than an Archer or an Arrow, they look at my panel kind of google eyed and I wind up teaching them, not the other way around.  If you need to do one, you might as well get something out of it.

[1964-M20E]

You teach him or he teaches you no matter how you slice it you do get something out of it.  You learn you aircraft better and you get your FR done and are good for the next 2 years and it is about your flying skills and knowledge not necessarily the plane you are flying.  Regardless everyone proceeds in their own way to achieve the goal to continue flying.

  Finally, I don't mind training the trainer because if I'm telling him how it's done and I'm correct then I have learned that subject far better than if the instructor told me this is how it is.  IMHO

 

 

 

 

[BradB]

I am a bit late to this thread.   I enjoy doing both the wings program and the flight review.   My situation is a little different, but by no means unique.   PPL in 1992, Instrument in 1993.   No flying between 1997 and 2015.   I learned ARSA's and TRSA's.   I shot an ADF approach on my instrument checkride - all hand flown (no autopilots in 172s at that time).  Fortunately, I didn't have to demonstrate navigation by Loran, it was too new.  We just placarded it in-op for the test.    I now fly behind a G1000 with GPS and have to navigate these things called bravo and Charlie airspaces.   I spent a long time with instructors before getting signed off to solo and fly instrument again.  But 20 years of rule changes are hard to hit upon.    For me, the flying skills were still there, but I constantly worried about some rule change or something new that I have neglected to learn.  The FR (yes I had biannuals when they were called that) is a good chance for me to pick up something important.   

Crap, I didn't realize when I got over 40, my 3rd class medical wasn't good for as long.  When did that happen? I don't feel old.  I had to fly under basic med for a week until I could get a new medical.   I felt like being confined to under FL180 was like being grounded and sent to my room for a week.  Lesson learned.

I know how to do the kind of flying that I do all the time.  But I love to opportunity to be pushed to do something new.  When the weather is particularly bad (but safe) I call my CFi and say, "let's go fly."   I want to fly into THAT cloud and see what happens.  I know that he really doesn't want to die so I feel comfortable asking him to push my limits.   I have TKS.  I want to know what it can do.  I don't want to be by myself finding out what it can't do.  Every once in a while we do enough in a flight and on the ground that it counts as a flight review.  And I'm good with that.

Just some thought from a, hopefully, former rusty pilot.

 

Brad

[MyNameIsNobody]

I just received my reminder in the mail to renew my driver's license.  It discussed that we all need a special band by 2020 or we might not be able to fly on commercial aircraft.  Rules and regulations.   Burdensome, but necessary for a sovereign country that respects the rule of law.  Of course you could choose to not drive an automobile or fly commercial.  Choices.

[peevee]

You guys shamed me into it. I was due end of June so I did my bfr via wings again this time.

[MyNameIsNobody]

Whatever gets you through the day PeeVee...

[Yetti]

So done.

Shot an approach.   The DME work, the Marker Beacon works, the glidesope works kind of.   The PHone is more accurate than the localizer...

Did some under the hood work.  Of course the wing level works.   Did some 60 turns

Some stalls, some slow flight.

One landing on the centerline.  One landing to the left.

Fun day fly day... probably have to take a nap