Mooney Ovation / Cirrus SR22

[Guest]

5 hours ago, whiskytango said:

Aaron -

You are right about repairs.  The difficulty of repairs on a Cirrus would be the deal breaker for me.  A friend who has one told me that Cirrus must do an engineering analysis for even the simplest of repairs to the plastic, and this takes weeks before the repair can even start.  No thanks.

As most hangar rash happens to trailing edges and to flight controls which are made of aluminum on the Cirrus, just like the Mooney, where is the difficulty in repair? As for wing leading edges they are tougher than aluminum.  Why do you suppose that Mooney has gone to a composite fuselage skin on the Acclaim?

Clarence

Mooney, Diamond and Cirrus authorized service centre 

[Hank]

3 hours ago, M20Doc said:

 Why do you suppose that Mooney has gone to a composite fuselage skin on the Acclaim?

Because it is less expensive to manufacture, mostly by reducing labor hours.

Why do you suppose Mooney is continuing to make wings, tails and flight controls from aluminum?

[Marauder]

3 hours ago, M20Doc said:  Why do you suppose that Mooney has gone to a composite fuselage skin on the Acclaim?

Because it is less expensive to manufacture, mostly by reducing labor hours.

Why do you suppose Mooney is continuing to make wings, tails and flight controls from aluminum?

Recertification concerns.

[Piloto]

27 minutes ago, Hank said:

Because it is less expensive to manufacture, mostly by reducing labor hours.

Why do you suppose Mooney is continuing to make wings, tails and flight controls from aluminum?

Because they wouldn't crack under bending stress.

[FloridaMan]

On 3/11/2016 at 9:18 PM, DAVIDWH said:

You gotta buy the Cirrus or when the engine quits in the Mooney, the last words you will ever hear will be,

"You never listen to me and see I told you so", and you might even be thinking, this one time she may have been right.

My choice, M-20R.

Best.

DH

The engine quit on my Mooney at < 200ft on takeoff. A chute would not have done a thing for me in that circumstance. Also, Cirrus has one of the worst overall safety records in GA, Mooney, I believe, is better than average, especially when it comes to fatal accidents. 

[FloridaMan]

On 3/22/2016 at 6:20 PM, romair said:

This came through on Beechtalk - NTSB prelim out

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20160307X01829&key=1

Valve strikes on all cylinders. No fuel starvation. 

Did not mean to hijack this thread. Mooney vs Cirrus, it is personal preference in the end. I like the Mooney, and currently still have one. If I bought another single engine airplane and had enough funds available I would probably go with a Cirrus since it has a parachute and that gives me piece of mind when flying IFR or over bad terrain, and frankly even when its nice outside and there are open fields nearby. If Mooney put a parachute on their airplane, I would go with a Mooney in a heartbeat. We tend to think that engine failure is an exceedingly rare event, and unfortunately that belief does not necessarily appear to be as accurate as we want it to be. That being said, it is still unlikely enough that many pilots have no second thoughts about jumping in a single engine and flying hard IFR or at night, or over mountains and they do very well. I just don't belong in that camp. This was not meant to start an argument of which airplane is better, I think they are both good airplanes, and for me personally the Cirrus has an edge over a Mooney at this time due to having a parachute. That's all.

Skipped timing?

[carusoam]

Speculation:

Valves striking all pistons.

Something put the valves out of time with the crank.  

That would require something like a drive gear in the accessory case to stop normal function(?)

IO550 engine.

Best regards,

-a-