Bored on a Sunday

[M20F]

Always been curious why the cut over of J's to the modern era?  We have essentially just a cleaned up F in a J in a year when what we all consider vintage still being made.  Why doesn't the modern era begin with the 231 which really represents a marked difference from what came before.  

This thread is intended to just cause a discussion and in a little small part annoy J owners :-)

[fantom]

"Bored on a Sunday".....obviously 

[Marauder]

Always been curious why the cut over of J's to the modern era?  We have essentially just a cleaned up F in a J in a year when what we all consider vintage still being made.  Why doesn't the modern era begin with the 231 which really represents a marked difference from what came before.  

This thread is intended to just cause a discussion and in a little small part annoy J owners :-)

I guess I view them as all "pre-modern" Era. Once they put a engine in that wasn't designed when one of the Wright brothers was alive, then I think we have arrived in the modern Era.

[Guest]

I was bored today, so I finished the airplane lift for my RV4.

Clarence

[carusoam]

My long body is more than 20 years old. It's only digital screen is mono color.  That makes it a classic vehicle in most states.  In a few more years it will be historic. Bob's M20E is more modern by light years.

The reason MS is set up the way it is...

1) Early on, we were short on users, breaking them in half sort of made sense.

2) Later on, One Bravo owner petitioned for a specific M20M user group.

3) So much information shared on MS is independent of what plane it is in.

Good luck trying to corral Mooney pilots into specific groups.  Some people read all the posts each day. Wouldn't matter how they get split up.

Other people have found a way to 'follow' a particular topic or thread.

One thing to consider...

They all fly through the same air, quickly and efficiently.

Welcome to Mooney Sunday,

-a-

[bonal]

Yesterday I was feeling under the weather and chose not to fly even though it was severe clear. Today I felt great and we have low overcast and rain at least I got to watch the Mexican Grand Prix. Oh well some times thats just how it goes.

[mooniac15u]

Always been curious why the cut over of J's to the modern era?  We have essentially just a cleaned up F in a J in a year when what we all consider vintage still being made.  Why doesn't the modern era begin with the 231 which really represents a marked difference from what came before.  

This thread is intended to just cause a discussion and in a little small part annoy J owners :-)

It's a J thing. You wouldn't understand. 

[Seth]

Not only did they aerodynamically clean up the F to the J, but there were many other improvements, especially in the panel layout.  I realize 1976 F models had similar configurations in the cockpit as the 1977 J model, but the break is the F to J for not just exterior but also interior reasoning.  A lot of changes were also made between the 77 and 78 J models.

 

-Seth

[Andy95W]

Not only did they aerodynamically clean up the F to the J, but there were many other improvements, especially in the panel layout.  I realize 1976 F models had similar configurations in the cockpit as the 1977 J model, but the break is the F to J for not just exterior but also interior reasoning.  A lot of changes were also made between the 77 and 78 J models.

 

-Seth

I'll go one step further and say it's about the Johnson Bar gear and hydraulic flaps.  I understand that the later year F's all had electric gear and flaps, but the first ones did not, and of course the C's thru E's originated with the Johnson bar gear and hydraulic flaps.  So that was what linked the F more closely to the A-E.

[Seth]

Could you still get a 76 F model with the Johnson bar?  Was electric gear an option then?

 

I'm curious where the Johnson bar cutoff occurred.  

 

-Seth

[mooniac15u]

The J was the first Mooney model to use sections of Part 23 for its certification. All previous models were certificated entirely under CAR 3. 

[M20F]

Could you still get a 76 F model with the Johnson bar?  Was electric gear an option then?

 

I'm curious where the Johnson bar cutoff occurred.  

 

-Seth

67 was last year for it and hydraulic flaps is my understanding.  

[Andy95W]

Could you still get a 76 F model with the Johnson bar?  Was electric gear an option then?

 

I'm curious where the Johnson bar cutoff occurred.  

 

-Seth

Electric gear was an option starting in 1965 (I believe).  It became standard in 1969 along with electric flaps.

[Marauder]

Not only did they aerodynamically clean up the F to the J, but there were many other improvements, especially in the panel layout.  I realize 1976 F models had similar configurations in the cockpit as the 1977 J model, but the break is the F to J for not just exterior but also interior reasoning.  A lot of changes were also made between the 77 and 78 J models.

 

-Seth

This is the panel in my 1975 F, looks just like a 1977 J all the way to the quadrant.

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[M20F]

I'll go one step further and say it's about the Johnson Bar gear and hydraulic flaps.  I understand that the later year F's all had electric gear and flaps, but the first ones did not, and of course the C's thru E's originated with the Johnson bar gear and hydraulic flaps.  So that was what linked the F more closely to the A-E.

A J is just a cleaned up F be it in the aerodynamics or panel or interior.  When I look at a K we have a new motor, turbo charging, etc. which makes it not very similar to the J's back.  

I have nothing against J's just find it odd that the cut over wouldn't have been K's.  It's Monday and I am bored watching oil drain out of a Cirrus :-)

[fantom]

 

This is the panel in my 1975 F...

 

 

 

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[Tony Armour]

A J is just a cleaned up F be it in the aerodynamics or panel or interior.  When I look at a K we have a new motor, turbo charging, etc. which makes it not very similar to the J's back.  

I have nothing against J's just find it odd that the cut over wouldn't have been K's.  It's Monday and I am bored watching oil drain out of a Cirrus :-)

But a J and K or exactly the same except for the engine. You wouldn't separate an Ovation and Bravo. It's a nice easy progression from model to model....that's good for all of us. I think body length is a good way to separate. What would that be: short/mid/long and wood ? Maybe I should have said, what wood that be :-)

Edited November 2, 2015 by Tony Armour

[M20F]

But a J and K or exactly the same except for the engine. You wouldn't separate an Ovation and Bravo. It's a nice easy progression from model to model....that's good for all of us. I think body length is a good way to separate. What would that be: short/mid/long and wood ? Maybe I should have said, what wood that be :-)

I wouldn't separate an Ovation/Bravo but there have been really three major changes to Mooney's.  Wood to metal, 4 cylinder Lycoming to 6 cylinder Continental, and the long body (which technically started with the Porsche Mooney which also was a new  engine).  In each of those three evolutions though the differing models are rather incremental as opposed to almost whole new designs.  

[bonal]

And I thought this was about being bored.

[Hank]

I was bored today, so I finished the airplane lift for my RV4.

Clarence

Feel free to come South for the winter, and get bored around the house!  

[bonal]

PULL UP......PULL UP!!!

Now that's funny..

[Guest]

Feel free to come South for the winter, and get bored around the house!  

The boring task is finishing new canopy and the annual on the RV, then some fun flying in it.  Then there's a Mooney Mite calling me.

Clarence

[Hank]

Go Mite!!

[Mcstealth]

On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2015‎ ‎9‎:‎00‎:‎51‎, bonal said:

Yesterday I was feeling under the weather and chose not to fly even though it was severe clear. Today I felt great and we have low overcast and rain at least I got to watch the Mexican Grand Prix. Oh well some times thats just how it goes.

Go Massa