Engine Monitor- Suggestions?? 1970 Mooney M20E

[slowflyin]

CGR30P so I could cull the old gauges. 

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[N9405V]

I had a good conversation with my A&P yesterday. He had good things to say about JPI and Insight monitors. Now to start doing the research to see which one to get. I'm not afraid to spend money if there is value added. As Piloto said about older Mooneys, all of my engine gauges are on the far side of the passenger panel and kind of a pain to read. I'm thinking a

JPI 830 would fit nicely just to the right of the yoke.

[Marauder]

A lot of guys have installed a 830 to the right of the pilot yoke. Mine is mounted in the center stack.

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[Bob_Belville]

The pilot panel has the required 6 pack (count Aspen as 2) plus StormScope and Stec. None of these should go to the copilot side. The GTN 750 and the Audio Panel take up the center stack so the JPI EDM 930 joins the #2 NavCom and the Xponder above the co-pilot yoke. IMNSHO, perfect.

 

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[ryoder]

This is what I want to fly behind. If part 23 rewrite doesn't happen I'll fly behind something like this in an experimental.

G3X touch with EIS and remote transponder control.

[DXB]

I've finally settled on JPI900 for my pending new panel install, after careful consideration of EI CGR30 also.  The latter came very close to the functionality but was couple was short just a couple of primary instruments - would have had to find other TSO'd fuel gauges in addition.  The larger JPI930 might be nice if further from line of site.  I plan to mount the 900 close- vertical orientation at the far left of panel.

[garysuperpilot]

Going to order a EDM730 this week. Until the end of April they're offering rebates of $300 on the 730, the same on the 900 series. Varies by model.

[FloridaMan]

I had a good conversation with my A&P yesterday. He had good things to say about JPI and Insight monitors. Now to start doing the research to see which one to get. I'm not afraid to spend money if there is value added. As Piloto said about older Mooneys, all of my engine gauges are on the far side of the passenger panel and kind of a pain to read. I'm thinking a

JPI 830 would fit nicely just to the right of the yoke.

 

I went with the JPI in my M20F because it is also a replacement for the factory fuel level gauges, allowing me to remove that entire 6-pack of instruments. I don't believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the CGR30-P allows for primary replacement of fuel level. 

[PTK]

I did exactly the same thing for the same reasons. On the M20J and later models the engine instruments are right in front of the pilot. Easy to read and alert you. But on the earlier models they are on the right side and harder to read. So for some it may make sense to opt. for the whole enchilada monitor.

I have an EI UBG-16 with voltage, fuel flow and OAT options. Easy to read. I am very happy with it.

José

I agree and I have done similarly. My plane came with the EDM700 and FS450 ff. I love the separate dedicated ff computer. I upgraded the 700 to a large display EDM800 and placed it in front of my face. The 800 is the most powerful engine monitor JPI had ever made imho. Between this and the engine gauges across the top I have everything I need in my scan. An EDM 900 or 930 would not give me anymore info. Therefore my money is better spent on avgas!

[Bob_Belville]

Well... I had a panel with a lot of digital and analog instruments mounted from one edge of the panel to the other, I count 12! All are gone, consolidated in the 930 and its RAD.  

 

Who wants to scan their whole panel for possible trending info when you can have them together and have an Remote Alarm Display right in your primary scan zone to catch potential problems at once? Not me.

[Marauder]

Well... I had a panel with a lot of digital and analog instruments mounted from one edge of the panel to the other, I count 12! All are gone, consolidated in the 930 and its RAD.

Who wants to scan their whole panel for possible trending info when you can have them together and have an Remote Alarm Display right in your primary scan zone to catch potential problems at once? Not me.

When I bought my 830, they were selling for $3,400 and now the 900 are selling for roughly the same amount. I replaced my 830 with a 900 because as Bob points out, it eliminates your 40+ year primary gauges.

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[Alan Fox]

The 700 can be ordered up with almost all options available , it is a great unit , and JPI is great for service , and they have been around practically forever , (so has insight) the nice thing about the 700 is it fits in a small hole , so no panel mods required , It also affords cheap upgrade paths when you want to upgrade in the future......If you choose the 700 , leave an extra 18 inches of the harness in a loop , so if you upgrade in the future and want to move it , you wont have to buy the 300 dollar extension harness.......I started with a 700 , and upgraded it to a 830 ....

[pinerunner]

I have a UBG-16 and am very happy with it. I haven't bothered learning all the in-flight tricks it can do and instead make heavy use of the data dump capability. I do my deep thinking over the data on the ground. I have files covering right back to the day it was installed. Besides EGT and CHT on all cylinders I added in fuel flow which makes it easy to get my GAMI spread. Data-dumping is the feature I wouldn't want to do without and fuel flow is right up there for me as important to have. 

 

Cute tricks in the air? I think its better to look out the window than putz with electronics. Keep it as simple as possible.

[wishboneash]

I finally got the JPI-900 installed (replaced the EDM 700) and now have reliable primary gauges.

I do have a question to those who have put in a primary such as the JPI 900/930 or others. Were you able to add a user limit for the CHT or get defaults changed by JPI? I don't like the factory setting at 475 for the IO-360 A3B6 engine. Do you have to live with it if there is no user limits?

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[Marauder]

I finally got the JPI-900 installed (replaced the EDM 700) and now have reliable primary gauges.

I do have a question to those who have put in a primary such as the JPI 900/930 or others. Were you able to add a user limit for the CHT or get defaults changed by JPI? I don't like the factory setting at 475 for the IO-360 A3B6 engine. Do you have to live with it if there is no user limits?

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The STC requires they use the POH limits for your plane. So, in other words, you can't change them.

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[ArtVandelay]

I heard JPI had requested to add user limits in addition to POH limits and were seeking approval, might want to call JPI support.

[Marauder]

I heard JPI had requested to add user limits in addition to POH limits and were seeking approval, might want to call JPI support.

If they did request this, I suspect that they would either need to figure out how to handle the warnings. Would they have the RAD or the blinking light trigger for both or just the STC warnings?

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[Marauder]

BTW -- just saw Spruce sent out a notification that these units are being rebated again.

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[Ratherbflying]

Yes, with the 900, you can have the unit warn on user limits. I have the CHTs warn at 400 degrees. 

[Oscar Avalle]

 I had a JPI 830 installed. Sometimes I wonder if I should just pull the 830 out and replace it with a 930 or 900 and get rid of the old gages. But then I had a friend of mine who flies a Cessna 340. We went flying the other day and bum... on the ILS approach in IMC the engine monitor went blanc.. (i mean black), because it was a primary screen, he had no back up... so no engine instruments, no RPM, no MP, no nothing. Well, he knows his plane and we finished the approach with no problem. Reason: bad contact in the harness. Very easy fix.

So, after that flight and although I love my panel and all the screens I have in it, I do prefer to keep my back ups for the sack of redundancy, just in case, s... happens. 

Oscar

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[wishboneash]

Yes, with the 900, you can have the unit warn on user limits. I have the CHTs warn at 400 degrees. 

That's what I remember reading somewhere. Did you have to send back to the factory or could the avionics installer do this? Thanks.

[wishboneash]

 I had a JPI 830 installed. Sometimes I wonder if I should just pull the 830 out and replace it with a 930 or 900 and get rid of the old gages. But then I had a friend of mine who flies a Cessna 340. We went flying the other day and bum... on the ILS approach in IMC the engine monitor went blanc.. (i mean black), because it was a primary screen, he had no back up... so no engine instruments, no RPM, no MP, no nothing. Well, he knows his plane and we finished the approach with no problem. Reason: bad contact in the harness. Very easy fix.

So, after that flight and although I love my panel and all the screens I have in it, I do prefer to keep my back ups for the sack of redundancy, just in case, s... happens. 

Oscar

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It could be an issue. My old gauges were very unreliable and inaccurate. The cluster gauge fuel pressure used to read 15psi (actually was 24psi), the oil temp was intermittent and the factory CHT/EGT readings were garbage. I did keep the RPM gauge and I do have a separate panel voltmeter. So with the backup voltmeter, RPM gauge I roughly know what the engine/electrical systems are doing (at least for a short time).

[ArtVandelay]

 I had a JPI 830 installed. Sometimes I wonder if I should just pull the 830 out and replace it with a 930 or 900 and get rid of the old gages. But then I had a friend of mine who flies a Cessna 340. We went flying the other day and bum... on the ILS approach in IMC the engine monitor went blanc.. (i mean black), because it was a primary screen, he had no back up... so no engine instruments, no RPM, no MP, no nothing. Well, he knows his plane and we finished the approach with no problem. Reason: bad contact in the harness. Very easy fix.

So, after that flight and although I love my panel and all the screens I have in it, I do prefer to keep my back ups for the sack of redundancy, just in case, s... happens. 

Oscar

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I don't think it's that easy? It would be nice just to pull the 830 and replace with a 900.

[Oscar Avalle]

I don't think it's that easy? It would be nice just to pull the 830 and replace with a 900.

You are right, you have to replace some of the probes... actually most of them. 

[N601RX]

The 900 has had user warnings that can be set to any desired value for over a year now. These are completely separate from the limits, but serve the purpose.