Not going to MVY!

[PTK]

I was going to do take an Angel Flight to MVY tomorrow but just discovered the island is blanketed by a TFR!

Compliments of the President vacationing up there!

Not going there anytime soon it seems either!

Bummer! I was looking forward to it.

[flyboy0681]

I was going to do take an Angel Flight to MVY tomorrow but just discovered the island is blanketed by a TFR!

Compliments of the President vacationing up there!

Not going there anytime soon it seems either!

Bummer! I was looking forward to it.

 

You are not prohibited from going to Martha's Vineyard, you just have to go through a pre-screening at one of several airports prior to arriving.

 

Seems to me that your generosity in participating in the Angel Flight outweighs any inconvenience. My advice to you is go for it.

[The-sky-captain]

I'm doing my first Angel Flight this week. Good luck Peter!

[ArtVandelay]

I thought you can just file and fly IFR?

[aviatoreb]

I thought you can just file and fly IFR?

 

That is what I thought.  That said, I have never had occasion to fly into a moving TFR.  What is the rule on that?

[PTK]

The flight was actually taken down by Angel Flight. It's probably being postponed.

I'm not going anywhere near a Presidential TFR.

91.141 Flight restrictions in the proximity of the Presidential and other parties.

"No person may operate an aircraft over or in the vicinity of any area to be visited or traveled by the President, the Vice President, or other public figures contrary to the restrictions established by the Administrator and published in a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM)."

Note no mention is made about IFR flight. Clearly states "No person may operate an aircraft..." period.

[Marauder]

Peter -- you can file IFR and fly it. There are some restrictions. Check with Seth, I think I remember he flew into one not too long ago.

[Seth]

I did - last year - I got up there just before he TFR began and left during the TFR. Had to reserve a departure time at least 24 hours in advance, go through a makeshift security screening and then have an agent come with me to my plane, and ask me to search the aircraft. He asked if anything looked strange or if it looked as if I left it. I let him know that did not discover during the cursory self inspection that anything was out of place or warranted further inspection. He was fine with that sent me on my way, and I conducted an IFR departure back to Maryland.

I fly in and out of a permanent TFR known as the SFRA as in based at GAI just outside DC. Usually the TFR's require squaking and talking but some require more.

There will be something like 350+ secret service agents on Martha's Vinard not including the Navy ships or divers in place just in case something goes wrong.

Probably the best time to visit from a safety point of view as any crime that occurs will be dealt with as quickly and quietly as possible by the local law enforcement.

-Seth

[flyboy0681]

Here's a short video from the AOPA on the subject

 

http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=w1Y3JxMjpJ2hvhv3Kqw0uTaMY0FdGiJ0#ooid=w1Y3JxMjpJ2hvhv3Kqw0uTaMY0FdGiJ0

[Becca]

The flight was actually taken down by Angel Flight. It's probably being postponed.

I'm not going anywhere near a Presidential TFR.

91.141 Flight restrictions in the proximity of the Presidential and other parties.

"No person may operate an aircraft over or in the vicinity of any area to be visited or traveled by the President, the Vice President, or other public figures contrary to the restrictions established by the Administrator and published in a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM)."

Note no mention is made about IFR flight. Clearly states "No person may operate an aircraft..." period.

Grammar matters, the sentence completes with the clause "contrary to the restrictions established by the Administrator and published in a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM)." Read the NOTAM associated with the TFR. Texas was a frequent victim during the Bush years, usually there was a small completely forbidden radius and then a larger radius you could fly in as long as on a unique squawk code.

[N201MKTurbo]

I have departed three times and arrived twice with presidential TFRs. Not that big of a deal as long as you read the rules.

I would depart IFR and put in the comments that I would cancel as soon as I was clear of the TFR. From KCHD I would only have to go about 8 miles south. The last time I did it, as soon as I contacted departure, they cleared me direct Tucson at 5500 (below the Mea) . As soon as I cleared the TFR they called and asked my intentions which were "cancel IFR". It all went very smoothly.

[Marauder]

Peter - since you use Garmin Pilot there is a pretty detailed summary of what is and isn't allowed in the TFR. I just never bothered to read them because I never needed to be where he was at the same time...

[bonal]

So can a non IFR pilot file a VFR flight plan the same way to access or clear the TFR then cancel same as you would for an IFR.

[Marauder]

So can a non IFR pilot file a VFR flight plan the same way to access or clear the TFR then cancel same as you would for an IFR.

I read in the TFR that there is transitions allowed but I think, like the SFRA, you need to be on an actual flight plan (not flight following), squawking a discrete code and be in two way communications with ATC throughout your time in the TFR (and obviously before entering it) and if landing at an airport within both the inner and outer circles. As I mentioned above, I never found myself never needing to be in a presidential TFR. Here is the actual FAA link for the depicted TFR: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1688.html

[N201MKTurbo]

If in doubt about how to proceed call the Tower,  TRACON or center facility on the phone and talk to them about it.

 

You might find that they are as uncertain as you are...

 

I file IFR because it is more normal for ATC. They usually don't open and activate VFR flight plans with clearances and codes.

 

So do you activate your VFR flight plan with FSS and then call clearance delivery?

[bonal]

Before I started using flight following any cross country trips I would contact the northern Ca flight service station file a VFR flight plan and open the flight with Oakland center get a code and have the CT close my flight upon reaching my desination airport. For my non towered trips I would call Flight service and close the filed plan if running late I simply advised ATC to extend my arrival time. seems not to different than IFR just less requirements for assigned altitudes and staying in the lanes and of corse approches and departure procedures.

[marks]

I live here on MVY.  If you fly here the TFR requires that you land first in Providence RI or Hyannis on the Cape and submit to a search and you must contact a TSA phone number and make your reservation at least 24 hrs in advance,  You can fly VFR or IFR but you must squawk a code and fly where they tell you.  -  For me the big problem has been recurrent computer access problems and the cell phone troubles that started a few weeks before his arrival.  With Clinton it wasn't nearly as bad, but that was before 9/11.

[PTK]

I'm sure the flight would have been possible but I decided not to take it.

 

These folks we are serving are ill individuals who desperately need a smile on their face.

What little we do for them pales in comparison to what they endure and go through on a daily basis.

 

I don't see the need to put them through undue stress and adventures.