Trash talking CFI slammed Mooney today why?

[carusoam]

Clarence has a gigantic sense of humor!!!

Best regards,

-a-

[jetdriven]

Mine has a bridle cable for the STec 30 altitude hold. But that's it.

[DaV8or]

Mine has a bridle cable for the STec 30 altitude hold. But that's it.

 

Mine too. The only flight control cables I've seen.

[PTK]

Pardon my ignorance as to the comparative degree of difficulty of airplane maintenance. I'm not a mechanic. That is why I hire the A&Ps to do it.

Logic dictates however that different airplanes require different methods of approach or technique. They're simply different.

But to bash an airplane, any airplane, solely on degree of maintenance difficulty simply confirms that this individual is an ignoramus.

This kind of behavior comes from people who have an inferiority complex and always want to impress with their "knowledge."

It's best to ignore them.

[orionflt]

I haven't met an airplane I didn't like.

I have, one that isn't air worthy.......and it's not so much I dislike the plane......just that fact that it can't fly.

Brian

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[orionflt]

Pardon my ignorance as to the comparative degree of difficulty of airplane maintenance. I'm not a mechanic. That is why I hire the A&Ps to do it.

Logic dictates however that different airplanes require different methods of approach or technique. They're simply different.

But to bash an airplane, any airplane, solely on degree of maintenance difficulty simply confirms that this individual is an ignoramus.

This kind of behavior comes from people who have an inferiority complex and always want to impress with their "knowledge."

It's best to ignore them.

I will admit Mooney's are not the easiest aircraft to work on, but try doing an oil change on a turbo bonanza..... Most of the mechanics that complain about Mooney's work on Cessna and Piper trainers or have a nitch, some thing they are comfortable working on or specialize in. when you move up to more complex aircraft there are always more challenges to deal with, retractable gear, constant speed prop, or just the cramped engine compartment due to the larger turbo'd engine and added accessories. You start throwing in device systems and pressurization and that can become a lot to deal with especially for a one or two man shop.

Brian

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[mike_elliott]

A$P's who bellyache to me about how hard it is to work on a Mooney I usually mitigate quickly with a simple "If it were easy, then just any old shadetree A$P could do it. It takes someone skilled to properly work on a Mooney"

[DonMuncy]

I have spent a lot of time working on Lotuses, which I thought were tough. But they don't match Mooneys in difficulty level.

Thank goodness they are both worth it.

[scottfromiowa]

"into a debate with this Bonanza instructor bigot"

 

It is not worth anyones time to debate with an idiot. At best you win and educate a moron for a moment. The next moment his limited mental abilities move right back to his favorite position after you leave.

 

Both airplanes are beautiful works of art and engineering in their own rite. And we all know that in this forum. Ignore the ignorant who do not.

That is what I keep telling FlyBoy, but he continues to debate me

[Hank]

I have spent a lot of time working on Lotuses, which I thought were tough. But they don't match Mooneys in difficulty level.

Thank goodness they are both worth it.

 

 

You should try working on my Jag, the space is very similar. My favorite mechanic said, "this car is made to look at, not work on." Apparently Al's concern was performance, not maintenance. That's fine by me.

[scottfromiowa]

New F Type Coupe...Yummy...It IS good to be BAD

[bonal]

I'd like to know what modern car is easy to work on.  We need to up the game screw the Ford VS Chevy it's Jaguar vs Porsche vs Aston etc.

[flyboy0681]

Not picking sides , but the Mooney is not a bad annual to perform , you trade off removing the interior over removing the belly skins......trust me the belly skins are a much easier task.....the Beech interior is put on aluminum skin that (oil cans) into channels.....It is an engineering masterpiece , but a pain in the ass to remove , (easy as hell to install) ..... from a maintenance standpoint , the Mooney is not hard to work on..... Mechanics tend to like what they are familiar with , and shun what they are not.....  Also people will compare a 47 Beech , to a 67 Mooney , that's just stupid.......

 

My annual is being conducted as we speak and the belly and interior panels have been all removed.

[bonal]

I have done 2 owner assist annuals on my c and working on that is a piece of cake as long as you take your time. I take time off from work and its fun. i dont enjoy the costs of things found wrong but thats not the fault of mooneys design thats just 50 years of aging,

[Hector]

I have done 2 owner assist annuals on my c and working on that is a piece of cake as long as you take your time. I take time off from work and its fun. i dont enjoy the costs of things found wrong but thats not the fault of mooneys design thats just 50 years of aging,

Doing the second owner assist annual on my 67C also. This year, other than checking the mag timing, I did everything else by myself per the Mooney checklist. It was no big deal and I enjoyed it tremendously as I learn this aircraft inside out. Had to adjust the right main preload a bit, rebuilt a brake master cylinder, fix some cracks in the doghouse, but most everything else was routine. Did not find anything that difficult to do. I admit, removing/cleaning/installing the oil screen on the back of the engine could be easier with a little more room, but again no big deal.

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[Guest]

I thought we had all push rods??

I've read log entries for annual inspections on Mooney's which state that cable tensions checked and pulleys were lubricated.

Unlike many other designs which use 7X19 flexible cables Mooney chose the rather stiff 1X1 steel tube. Yes there are a few with autopilot cables and a few with elevator down assist cables and springs, but primary flight control in a Mooney is done with steel tubes.

Clarence

[Urs_Wildermuth]

I've nearly been thrown out of 2 GA forums after Mooney relaunched production by Cirrus fanboys who simply did not want anything other than their toy mentioned. People like that are toxic. I usually walk away the moment someone starts ranting these days, not worth it.

[manoflamancha]

Agree and this particular CFI is an arrogant jerk who thinks Beechcraft is the center of the universe. Funny because the instructor who checked me out for my high performance and complex endorsements said good on both makes as well as the downsides to both makes. If I was flying in and out of short back country strips I'd get a Bonanza or Cessna 182 since Mooneys are not good landing on short grass strips from what I've seen. But if it's just me going places with decent paved runways the Mooney wins especially something like a fast 252/Bravo/Ovation. I'd rather buy a fast Mooney for less than half of what a new Cirrus costs.

[jetdriven]

Probably climbs at 25 square too.

[phecksel]

Probably climbs at 25 square too.

LOL

 

Don't want to blow the engine up by running over square

/sarc

[Awqward]

The CFII who trained me for the Instrument ticket is now training a guy in a V-tail......says he much preferred the Mooney....I'm letting hi take it out this weekend to give him his fix!.....also the DPE who signed me off earlier this year was absolutely delighted to do the checkride in a Mooney....his Dad used to have a Mooney dealership in South Texas...(and Urs, he is definitely not a Cirrus fan!)....the local A&P here loves the Mooney...hates the TB20 (no. Bo's here...)

[gsxrpilot]

Agree and this particular CFI is an arrogant jerk who thinks Beechcraft is the center of the universe. Funny because the instructor who checked me out for my high performance and complex endorsements said good on both makes as well as the downsides to both makes. If I was flying in and out of short back country strips I'd get a Bonanza or Cessna 182 since Mooneys are not good landing on short grass strips from what I've seen. But if it's just me going places with decent paved runways the Mooney wins especially something like a fast 252/Bravo/Ovation. I'd rather buy a fast Mooney for less than half of what a new Cirrus costs.

Tell that to Piperpainter...  

[manoflamancha]

Unlike some fanboys who trash talk against certain makes, I like all airplanes for different reasons. Mooney is great go fast on less fuel plane Bonanza great family plane for short grass strips Cessna 182 is good all around plane and Piper Arrow a good complex trainer.

Cirrus is good but overpriced for what they are a dressed up plane with fancy glass cockpit and parachute.

[Alan Fox]

Yes but that parachute has saved over a hundred people........Put a price on that..