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I will miss the Mooney speed and efficiency. I look forward to seeing my Mooney friends at OSH and other venues. My mission is the same, family trips and Pilots n Paws. The plan is to go slower and burn more dinosaurs doing just that. Sean

I received awesome news today -- GOT MY 3RD CLASS MEDICAL! After fighting to overcome heart failure, pace maker install, and diabetes, I was approved today! That took almost 2 years but it’s finally done... Just goes to show you can overcome obstacles with perseverance and hard work... I’m beyond excited... -Don

Small update: New Vernatherm arrived. I tested it against the old one...here are the numbers using my candy thermometer- Expansion from room temp to 150 deg F. Expansion from 150 - 185 degrees F Old Vernatherm: 0.007“ 0.140” New Vernatherm: 0.046”. 0.250” At the 150-185F expansion, the difference between them is 0.110”, which is Approximately the thickness of two dimes. I cannot accurately measure for comparison the length of the each valve from the gasket surface end to the tip of the valve that seats against the engine oil pressure orifice, as the new valve has a different taper ( I couldn’t tell exactly where the valve seats on the taper against the engine without coating it with blue dye and screwing it in- I’m not at the hangar). So, not very scientific or precise here, but interesting to note that the new valve does move sooner, and does move farther than the old valve. I would like to know the exact distance between the gasket surface of the engine and the oil galley orifice where the valve seats, and I would like to know the length of each valve from the gasket surface to the area of the taper where it seats. Then I’d like to know the seating pressure at various temps- that would give me some real data.... but I’m way too busy and short on time to work on that- I just want to go fly! (The new vernatherm is the one on the left - the more silver one with the pinched nut) One other thing- the old valve tip feels ratchety when pushing the spring down. The new valve tip moves very smoothly against the spring Hopefully it will go in Saturday, and we’ll see if it amounts to a hill of beans.

Freedom to choose what you want to drive. Where and when? Priceless

Tesla's of today don't have to be for everyone. But for what they are designed to do, they are very nice. It's pretty common to have two cars in most families. We have three cars and two drivers. Having a Tesla or another electric car as one of them could be quite convenient. I have one on order, but might or might not take delivery. I'm still waiting to see what the economy does in the next 6 months and what happens with my employment. Not all my cars excel at the same tasks. This last weekend driving over Imogene pass in SW Colorado, the BMW M3 would have been useless, but the 4Runner was perfect. Getting my wife back and forth to work 7 miles each way, summer and winter in Denver, the Tesla Model Y sounds like a perfect solution to me. Of course she could do it in a much cheaper car... but come on... this is a forum full of people who own private airplanes... And from friends of mine who own Tesla's, once you have one, you start using it more and more for more types of travel and next thing you know the car with the ICE under the hood is up for sale. The day Amazon decides it's cheaper to use electric automated trucks, the trucking industry as we know it will be gone. And they are working that direction very quickly with unlimited funds at their disposal. One of my customers is AAA. Somedays I think they're still trying to figure out why no one is stopping by for the little TripTix books they put together. Think of Kodak, Xerox, TomTom and Magellan. And now technology is able to replicate its self and improve its self. So hang on, the rocket has been lit, and there's no un-lighting it.

I’d of taken that risk if I saw it in time....

I just finished listening to a webinar put on by Aviation Week entitled, "Electrification: Dead End or the Future of Aviation?" Obviously it was slanted toward the "Future of Aviation" point of view. It brought up several valid points of where we are going … by 2035 at the earliest. 1. Is the future one source or more likely a mix of hydrogen, electric, hybrid, synthetic fuel, etc. 2. Currently (without subsidies) electric is 3-4X more expensive than current fossil fuels. 3. The progress of biofuels has been much slower than anticipated. 4. Synthetic fuels are being worked on, but they are only in the early stages. 5. Hydrogen has storage and airframe integration issues, but these issues are only engineering issues (LOL … from an engineer). 6. It was noted that this movement is going to make airplane aerodynamic designs more efficient, which is where most of the gain will come from. These changes can also be accomplished on current airplanes. 7. Airbus states their next, single-aisle, airline will be 30% more efficient … 20% coming from the propulsion and 10% from the airframe design. The head of Rolls-Royce stated that the 20% from propulsion is more than extremely aggressive. 8. The real answer could be a combination of all of them. For example electric power boost on takeoff is possible. 9. Lots of talk about airlines with much shorter range which would need to include a different business model. In other words, a true regional airplane that wouldn't have the capability of flying the longer range missions (200-300 mile range). 10. The TRL (Technical Readiness Level) of all of these new technologies (with the exception of battery electric) is between 0 and 2 and ALL have a long ways to go. Just my top 10 … that I can remember with my notes. The webinar is planned to be posted online within 24 hours. Right now there is a beautiful bicycle anxiously waiting for me to put another 30 miles on her. Not emissions free, but only a small portion of a horsepower required. It's a new day, it's a new dawn and I can once again be fully emotional

Yes, sorry. I set the altitude pre-select to the altitude of the hold on the missed approach. So if the MAP procedure is to climb to 6000 right turn to 360 direct HYGEN, I'd set the altitude pre-select to 6000 and the climb to 500 ft/min (or as required). The IFD540 will handle the right turn to the fix and the hold. So all I have to do is push the button on the pre-select and add power.

“Don’t get dragged in by Chino” “Even if the factory is forced to close....nobody benefits from the rumors..” I’ve been thinking on and off today, what words to offer up for Chino’s rumor post this morning........ Anthony supplied the words . What possible good comes from rumors ...... none! It’s best always to know the facts and truths before jumping to conclusions, or making judgments based on someone’s false or misleading information, whether intentional or not . This holds true in ANY topic !

Nothing to apologize for. How often do we get a taste of the simply joy of a kid and a new experience when we’re adults? Enjoy your Mooney. I still have to apologize to my wife after an excellent flight - apologize because I’m talking animated and happily while to her it is kind of just another flight. However to me, I’ve again slayed gravity and mastered great circle routes. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

Exactly the way I took it, you were sharing an emotion of happiness as you were seeing something pretty cool with your pride and joy. Absolutely nothing to be sorry about

Removed from a 1979 J Model. Pilots Trim switch is included. Good overall condition, the co-pilots Mooney emblem cover does have small crack in the plastic. These are not a direct swap without the elevator control yoke and universals from a donor airplane, so I have revised this listing to include one of those yokes as well (removed from the same donor airplane as the yokes/shafts). Great opportunity for someone to upgrade their yokes/shafts in a vintage bird and also eliminate an AD. My apologies some of the pics are sideways- they are right side up in my computer so not sure why they are being skewed. Price does not include shipping.

I may have been one of the first to run into this. SureFly worked with me and even sent a new unit to see if it was a clocking issue at assembly. We finally figured out the gear issue and they sent the newer version of the gear and it was all resolved. Regarding the break in of the gear, they are well oiled and likely not a major concern. I think the new gear is the path of least resistance. Regarding the MAP hose, there are a couple of threads with images of various ways to accommodate it. I can appreciate the frustration, but at the same time it can’t be easy to design a system to adapt to over 60 years worth of aircraft of varying manufacture and configuration. I’ve been rather happy with mine after the initial installation issues. Cold starts are near automobile like, hot starts are more consistent.

There was a report of difficulty during install for various mags... because a part was different than expected... So... for a few bucks more, swapping out the errant part is a possibility... The electronic mags guys are just finding out how many different versions of mags are really out in the field.... I think Rob @takair may have detailed what he had to do to get the mag up to speed for proper installation... Being off a few degrees isn’t going to make anyone happy... I think I remember the Woodruff issue... and not the Parker one... PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a-

New airframes were less expensive in yesteryear. On the other hand, we have a bounty of pre-owned aircraft that mostly didn't exist back then. Our preowned aircraft are far less than the aircraft of yesteryear, but probably not all that much more expensive to operate. Mooney's biggest competition wasn't Cirrus, it was older Mooneys. You can buy a vintage airframe and have it restored to like new condition and give it a glass panel (which also didn't exist in yesteryear) and pay proportionate to what an airplane cost long ago. This could be the Golden age of general aviation if we really wanted it so.

I do not have much input on the Tesla thread portion of this post. But I would like to thank you guys for the encouraging words on Mooney airplanes. I am continuing my pursuit of putting one in my own hanger. In regards to the Tesla information it is very entertaining to read.

I did my own in a 67F, this panel came from Hendricks mfg. it cost 2.5amu or there abouts, took about 20-30 hrs...Had to remove prop and mixture cables, good excuse to replace. That prob took the most time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just MHO, but I admit I am completely blown away by Tesla technology and innovation. 10 years ago when nobody could get electric cars to go 100 miles, Tesla figured out how to do 300 miles- in a high performance, luxury car at that. Amazing. But when it came time for me to buy a new car, I bought an Audi. I can buy a lot of dead dinosaurs for the $60,000 difference in price.

I have ridden in my boss's Tesla. Frankly, I'm not too impressed with cars in general, and I didn't think it was any better than my BMW 1-er in fitment and quality. Sure it has plenty of torque and it can go fast and accelerate very quickly, but it's way more than is legal or safe to use on most highways, and my car can more than double the interstate speed limit. His Tesla gets maybe 200-250 miles on a charge, I can go over 400 on a tank. He paid more than 3x for his Tesla what I paid for my car, brand new. It has a nice shiny screen to watch movies on while letting the Autopilot deliver one to the scene of the accident. As for the environmental benefits of using electricity as the source of power, I used to work in the generation business and I know a thing or two about how it gets generated and the overall environmental impact. Not terribly impressed with the supposed benefits, even before considering the impact of battery production and its long supply chain. As far as I can tell, Teslas at this point make nice bragging toys, and they perform quite well, but certainly not enough to justify the price tag.

Ok, lets bet on this quarter...Ill buy your drinks at the next Mooney Summit if GM or Ford or Chryslers profit is more than Teslas q2. Or heck, Q3, We know they didnt beat them q1. Heck, Ill buy your drinks at the Summit anyway an interesting charting site you can get free cash flow, long term debt, profit etc from for all of them (and many other companies) hypercharts.co

Swapping stock to a standard 6 pack is no big deal. Inexpensive if you can do it yourself, and can be done in a day or two depending on how far things move. I wouldnt pass pass on a good airplane because it has the old layout. That would be silly.

Cutting a new panel can be done relatively inexpensively, depending on how much involvement the owner provides. You can manufacture your own panel (using a template or your own custom design) and have your A&P install it as a minor mod, or install it yourself and have your A&P inspect and sign off your work. The real cost comes when you start replacing the steam gauges you have for the glass ones you want. tom

If you like working with your hands, you can do it yourself for not a lot of dough. I had access to a water jet system to cut a new panel from aluminum and did the work myself under the supervision of an A&P IA. The cost for that neglecting my labor, was < 0.5AMU. Doing it yourself gives you ideas, and a chance to change things up for your liking, and spot potential problems (like broken panel isolation mounts). We decided to get rid of the EGT selector and install an engine monitor. The cost of a JPI900, again installed by us under supervision was < 4AMU. Here's a link showing what we did:

You don’t have to know what the sold price is to watch the market. look at the ones that come up and go off, and the ones that languish. If it comes to market and is gone within a few weeks, you can almost bet it was priced appropriately. If it sits for months, well, it’s got issues not advertised, or just too high, either way, price is wrong. not 100% accurate, but pretty darn close.

They have hundreds of frame styles, look around and see. I get regular glasses and prescription sunglasses [a pair for each vehicle so I never leave them in the other car], but I wear Halos in the plane so really don't know about arm thickness; I generally get thick ones on my sunglasses anyway, so I can tell by feel if I'm wearing them or my regular glasses.

As a career EE I'm not so sure it is as 'crazy' as you think. Beyond the dependence upon EXTERNAL electrical power, I have seen enough ESD caused electronic component failures to be VERY nervous with both mags being electronic. Nearby lightning strike comes to mind. Further, beyond easy starts (and, one E-mag will do that) I'm not convinced they provide much, if any, benefit for a stationary engine such as those in our aircraft. I'm happy to keep my tractor mags

I used to think the safe number was 47 not 46 so that was 2500 and 22 and since it's a C with only the single EGT I can only go by the lean to rough then rich to smooth so no real idea how rich of peak that is. I've only ever managed to get it to LOP once what a magical moment. I normally fly much easier like 2400 20 which yields around 135 knots but was fun to stretch it out. AI is about 2mph fast based on GPS runs. Most likely higher than 75% on those flights. For me it's all based on OAT cause Snoopy likes cold air. Biggest challenge is keeping things cool up front.

4 years have passed since that article... are we any closer to being allowed DUEL E mags?

It takes a ball mover to prompt de utters to get wit da program! I still love my hoodie!!

I bet it will also make Tesla look parsimonious.

It's only 1050 because I have FIKI installed. That cost a bit in UL, but I have FIKI and don't regret it and still have an ok UL. A non FIKI Eagle certainly has quite a bit more.

ACR= Anti-Cam Round out places like The yard store sells them and many other aircraft suppliers has them. https://www.yardstore.com/phillips-2-acr-b-4x4-bit It kind hard to see in picture but has "teeth" to help grab the screw.

Mike, if you think the electric cars make Lexus look old and antiquated, and Mitch, if you're impressed by the Tesla X, hang onto your hats late this year and into the next year. Cadillac is going to make Tesla look old and antiquated. Got to check out a 2021 Escalade at our store recently, I don't even have words for the technology in it. Yes, it is "currently" a gas model, but the all electric Cadillacs are coming, and they are something else...

Gents, don’t get dragged in by Chino... The clouds have been blocking his part of the Mooney world for an inordinate amount of time... Yes, bad news, real or fictional does make people think twice before pulling the trigger... Serious people are always thinking twice anyway... MS has many X-Mooney employees and family too... Not all are embittered by their experience... We even have the two people that created the Mooney Movie....’boots on the ground’.... way cool if you haven’t seen it... It is better to have a healthy Mooney factory than a closed one... Auwde, the Mooney plant has a history of being closed for various reasons in its life... usually economy driven... When it closed in Y2K... I bought a pre-flown M20C... Most of the wear parts I ever needed were available from aircraft hardware suppliers and Lycoming.... Today, for the more challenging to get parts... we have something called owner supplied parts... where a community the size of MS has been successful at properly building the required parts... During the Great Recession, The plant was down for some time again... I bought a pre-flown M20R... So... people looking to buy a plane will want to do there homework... if buying a pre-flown Mooney, the plant being closed doesn’t change things very much.... oddly... Talking up the points about the plant being closed will wash out the weaker hands at the plane buying table... somewhat artificially lowering the prices... by making fewer buyers available... Even if the plant is forced to close... nobody benefits from the rumors... 2020 is going to be a tough year... We have experienced a very sharp recession... fast down, and a pretty quick up trend for the economy... unemployment soared... a pandemic has spread across the globe... Of course, Main Street is separate from Wall Street... Buying a plane will be more challenging for main streeters... If you are looking to buy a pre-flown Mooney... thank people that point out problems at the factory... They are helping you with your price negotiations... PP thoughts only, not a plane sales guy... or sales disruptor... If buying a plane and speed and efficiency are important.... Go Mooney! Best regards, -a-

At 10500 WOT 2500 this calcs out to around 145 knots. Pretty amazing for 180 horsepower

It's not done yet but wanted to share progress on the Dynon up-grade. Ignore the right side of the radio stack - that will be a future 7" Dynon display for the engine monitoring system. Also ignore the black panel under the radio stack - that will be a gray panel when I do the engine monitor. I'm doing this progressively - waiting for Dynon to certify the autopilot for the Mooney, when that's certified the right side will be done. There's a blanking plate where the AP controls will go. Note that there are some Garmin products in the radio stack, which play well with Dynon (I hope!) - I did not want the wrath of Don Kaye coming down on me (just kidding, Don). So far, so good. I'll post a more complete PIREP when it's done and flying.

I like 'em both. Have no use for SUVs--they do mediocre service as cars, due to the truck frame; and they do really bad service as trucks because the cargo space is one with the passenger cabin, and carpeted--who wants to haul horse manure to fertilize their garden in the back of their luxury behemoth SUV? Throw it in the truck, drive home and unload, hose out the bed!

Sure, we'll all just motor comfortably along behind the slowest car in front of us. The Toyota has three settings, the closest one is approx. 4 seconds behind the slowpoke. In Driver's Ed, I was taught that 2 seconds back is a good following position. Either way, you can't pass from even 2 seconds back . . . . .

That is NICE!

Horn 400.00 Very tight , Step crank 25.00 , Exhaust hangar assy 185.00 , Zef Voltage regulator 150.00 Alan 856 419 5209

I remember when people talked that way about the guys running Enron. Or Bernie Ebbers. Or...

Glad to be of service.

Hip Hip Horray. I am NOW a Commercial pilot. What can I say; my parents would be so proud, I am proud and my kids are too! It was a lot of work, but so worth it. Big thank you to my flight instructors [Christopher, Mike ] and my awesome DPE David Koebel. A big thank you to King Schools for the awesome prep. My examiner complimented me on my ground/oral which was fun to plan. He also loves how stable and fast the Mooney is. I had to teach him how to close the door six times, but other than that! I went back to my old stomping grounds in the Pacific Northwest, Hood River Oregon. I learned to fly there many moons ago. Paired the check ride with a family vacation. On to my multi-engine commercial. PS: Does my flight track look like a T-Rex dinosaur or what??? #MooneyZoom #ProPilot

No matter what, that’s definitely amazing. Good speed at 10,500’. Just be careful trusting the 50 year old pitot system to be accurate. The poh has a ~4 mph subtraction to get from IAS to CAS and that doesn’t even account for airspeed indicator errors. The best way is to do a good 3 way groundspeed run and enter it in an online calculator. If you do this a few times you’ll get a feeling for how close your IAS is, but it’s likely showing faster than actual. As I said though, impressive no matter what!

$340 + tax, shipping

Evening classes / part time would take 3 to 4 years full time : you can pull it in 2 years there is a minimum numbers of hours and you are actually required to clock in and out of classes

There's an oil temp thread that started a few weeks ago it's still going on, actively. There are some good photos and things to check in there. Check it out:

Bye is definitely doing their thing. They are also going the certificated route. Many hurdles to be cleared, but they are doing it. But, aero is well aero, cooling is well cooling and batteries are well not energy dense as fuel. In addition to Tom B. being there, so is Scott Wilson, former head of Avionics and Electrical at Mooney-Chino. Scott is leading their low voltage team.

You think you will make it to Tampa ok? or should I get ya a AAA membership I Made it just fine from Tampa to PCB hauling all that fun stuff to the Summit, as you know, and a few other longer road trips. Range anxiety doesnt exist. But your point is well taken, it will take me approx 1 hr 15 minutes longer to drive my Tesla to Reston VA where my son lives than my wifes butt ugly embarrassing Prius V. Ill spend the extra 1 hr15 min and not do the "drive of shame' Oh, and I pay 0$ for the electricity on the trip But you bring up an interesting point...How many hours last year did one spend refueling their ICE car. Every morning I wake to having 320 miles in the tank, without spending but 4 sec plugging in at night. Not having to have a stop in day to day driving because the car needs to drink is quite a time saver. Havent spilled that first drop of oil doing an oil change either

I agree. I have heard that max speed drove Mooney marketing and this likely overruled sound engineering judgement with the end result being the worlds fastest single engine piston airplane but overlooking the fact that this airplane limited by the landing gear design and costing close to a million dollars would often have 500 pounds or less pay load with full fuel. Little wonder why Mooney went bankrupt again! Roy Lopresti was the smartest engineer to work for Mooney and he apparently saw a way around this problem but may not have been listened to. This design he was working on was after he left the company.