Mcstealth Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 Now this, as it sounds, is extrememly rare. Way more to the story we all know, but obviously my sincerer condolences to all family and parties involved. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/07/12107828-kansas-family-of-6-dead-after-plane-crashes-in-florida-swamp?lite David Quote
davidsguerra Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 the weather was pretty bad here in sebring yesterday. Quote
fantom Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 Very sad indeed. I have some time in PC-12's and they are rock solid Swiss precision machines, and so automated they can lull pilots into a feeling of invinceability. WX in central FL could have had a hand in this tragic accident. Quote
mooneygirl Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 This is such a sad story to read. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families. Let's all be careful out there. Quote
Jeff_S Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 This is really a sad story, specially when they were so young. My simpathies to the family. In-flight structural failures are rare but it happens. If encountering severe turbulence always throttle back and slow down (110KTIAS) quickly by pitching up. You may get tossed around but at least will be in one piece. I always slow down when approaching weather and on descent. Even on clear weather you can experience severe turbulence at the lower altitudes, specially during summer afternoons. Remember it takes airspeed to break an airplane. José Quote
Piloto Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 This is really a sad story, specially when they were so young. My simpathies to the family. In-flight structural failures are rare but it happens. If encountering severe turbulence always throttle back and slow down (110KTIAS) quickly by pitching up. You may get tossed around but at least will be in one piece. I always slow down when approaching weather and on descent. Even on clear weather you can experience severe turbulence at the lower altitudes, specially during summer afternoons. Remember it takes airspeed to break an airplane. José Quote
FAST FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 Interestingly enough I was also coming back from the bahamas and was flying just east of that area yesterday around the same time. I had to divert to Titusville, Fl on the east coast due to that same system which I wasn't going to tangle with. Quote
fantom Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 Quote: Jeff_S This is really a sad story, specially when they were so young. My simpathies to the family. In-flight structural failures are rare but it happens. If encountering severe turbulence always throttle back and slow down (110KTIAS) quickly by pitching up. You may get tossed around but at least will be in one piece. I always slow down when approaching weather and on descent. Even on clear weather you can experience severe turbulence at the lower altitudes, specially during summer afternoons. Remember it takes airspeed to break an airplane. José Quote
butchgilbert Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 Avoid, Avoid, Avoid. A few years ago astronaut Scott Crossfield was killed in a Cessna 210 in very similar circumstances. I thought a PC-12 had onboard radar, which makes this accident even more puzzling. IMHO. Quote
aviatoreb Posted June 8, 2012 Report Posted June 8, 2012 Quote: Jeff_S This is really a sad story, specially when they were so young. My simpathies to the family. In-flight structural failures are rare but it happens. If encountering severe turbulence always throttle back and slow down (110KTIAS) quickly by pitching up. You may get tossed around but at least will be in one piece. I always slow down when approaching weather and on descent. Even on clear weather you can experience severe turbulence at the lower altitudes, specially during summer afternoons. Remember it takes airspeed to break an airplane. José Quote
Dale Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 I had a good client have an in flight break up of his Pilatus 2 years ago. Circumstances are eerily similar. Same altitude but a little better weather. Very sad. Quote
co2bruce Posted June 11, 2012 Report Posted June 11, 2012 Hey Dale, Nice plane, I came within an eyelash of buying that airplane and at the last second decided to go with an Eagle. Best of luck with her and fly safe. Love the paint job. Bruce Spencer N2170B Quote
wiguy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 This in flight break-up is about as sad an accident as you will find. I'm intersted to see what the NTSB comes up with, lots of areas to look at, training, maintenance, weather & all the others less known. From the bit I read I don't see how any heavy icing could be a major player, even the rain/storms seemed not that bad in his location. Then one may ask what are the usual few reasons for in-flight structural failure? The 2 most common are severe overstress, or flight into excessive weather/turbulence. A newer plane should be able to handle reasonable excesses on the G loading. One thing I have learned by reading factual accident reports, the final explanation is usually much more simple than far fetched initial theories. That is, 'spatial disorientation' comes up much more often that failure of critical instruments. He did seem to have a serious spiral, or close to it going on the descent. Did the wing fail before, during, or at the tail end of this high rate of descent? No I'm not putting on a NTSB hat, just trying to learn what I can & operate with an adequate margin around the edge of the envelope. Quote
Jeff_S Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 I have heard more about this accident from someone who read sherriff's reports and listened to the ATC tapes. I'm going on heresay, but from his description, there were definitely STRONG storms in the area and this pilot flew right into one. The breakup was so bad that the bulkhead separated and the youngest daughter was sucked out of the plane at altitude, and was found 1/2 mile from the rest of the wreckage. The pilot was very low-time in the Pilatus and was just transitioning from a Bonanza. He said that from the ATC tapes it was clear the pilot had either no regard for the weather, or was already so overwhelmed that he simply started zoning out because of it. I, too, will be interested in what the NTSB has to say. Quote
jkenney Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 The preliminary report from the NTSB is out. This site has the text and it appears to confirm that the plane encountered severe convective activity http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=066c7dfd-eab1-4f94-938b-ef10278a01bc To me the most chilling part is the timeline. He gets a warning from the controller at 12:32 and barely four minutes later the entire family is dead. Quote
xftrplt Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Short and not sweet. How many of us would have our families fly in a SE jet (albeit one with an unducted fan) piloted by a single PP without* a type rating? Not I. This is a loophole, which, if you have enough money, is large enough to drive a truck through. My sympathies to the wife and children. Flame away. *A (reasonable) assumption. Quote
jetdriven Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Low time inexperienced pilots have been killing themselves in airplanes, oh, since about 1920.... The news reports him as a "safe, cautious pilot" as every pilot ever written about is described. Quote
xftrplt Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Quote: jetdriven Low time inexperienced pilots have been killing themselves in airplanes, oh, since about 1920.... The news reports him as a "safe, cautious pilot" as every pilot ever written about is described. Quote
jetdriven Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Is thia a case of "they don't know what they don't know"? Like that thread where you were given advice on flying a non-deiced light single in icing conditions by a 100 hour private pilot? Quote
sreid Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Quote: xftrplt Short and not sweet. How many of us would have our families fly in a SE jet (albeit one with an unducted fan) piloted by a single PP without* a type rating? Not I. This is a loophole, which, if you have enough money, is large enough to drive a truck through. My sympathies to the wife and children. Flame away. *A (reasonable) assumption. Quote
wiguy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 I was not aware of strong storms in the area as confirmed by ATC & possibly others. If so that could very well explain a lot. I also ache for the innocents onboard. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Quote: wiguy I was not aware of strong storms in the area as confirmed by ATC & possibly others. If so that could very well explain a lot. I also ache for the innocents onboard. Quote
John Pleisse Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 The onlooker who was able to video tape the disabled fuselage trailing down (for over a minute) is unbelievable. Horrifying. I pray they blacked out. Quote
sleepingsquirrel Posted June 21, 2012 Report Posted June 21, 2012 Tragic, however, 110 people died in auto accidents that day , I dare say some children and whole families as well. Quote
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