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On 1/18/2025 at 4:55 AM, jetdriven said:

I drive a 2023 Bolt EV, Bolter.    don’t laugh, these are really good cars.

I like the Bolt.  It is well priced, great range for the price point, and honestly practical car.  They are a bargain on the Hertz used car site, right now.  Whereas the Tesla's and most other EV's are competing in a space where they emphasize the acceleration potential and luxury or high-tech features, the Bolt is what EV's should be for the average person.  

If I had the parking space at home, I was going to get a Bolt for a daily driver over my 3/4 ton diesel.  It would pay for itself in a few years.   

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I am in favor of raising landing fees at NY airports.  I am in favor of aggressive collection practices.  I am in favor of more transparency regarding aircraft ownership. I am in favor of raising sales tax on aircraft purchases. I am in favor of increasing registration fees, insurance premiums and the gas tax on Avgas. 

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27 minutes ago, Ollie Gark said:

I am in favor of raising landing fees at NY airports.  I am in favor of aggressive collection practices.  I am in favor of more transparency regarding aircraft ownership. I am in favor of raising sales tax on aircraft purchases. I am in favor of increasing registration fees, insurance premiums and the gas tax on Avgas. 

Whoever you are, thank you for being a friend of the aviation community, and welcome to Mooneyspace!  :lol::P

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2 hours ago, Ollie Gark said:

I am in favor of raising landing fees at NY airports.  I am in favor of aggressive collection practices.  I am in favor of more transparency regarding aircraft ownership. I am in favor of raising sales tax on aircraft purchases. I am in favor of increasing registration fees, insurance premiums and the gas tax on Avgas. 

Sorry to hear that you are against aviation and convenient travel. 

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3 hours ago, Ollie Gark said:

I am in favor of raising landing fees at NY airports.  I am in favor of aggressive collection practices.  I am in favor of more transparency regarding aircraft ownership. I am in favor of raising sales tax on aircraft purchases. I am in favor of increasing registration fees, insurance premiums and the gas tax on Avgas. 

You forgot taxes on carbon and all other externalities (including bad tie selection, public playing of the accordion and intentional facsimiles thereof, establishment of internment camps, and forced erasure of all Saturday Night Live episodes after Jon Lovitz, and probably unlicensed no-back springs.

Well-played though. You got me for a moment. :)

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On 4/24/2025 at 10:24 PM, William Munney said:

NOT paying. EVER.

Me either I put out N496DE on my ADSB, not sure who is getting the bills.  

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If an airport has a landing fee published correctly and I land there, I will pay it.   I don't care how they identify me or even if they do.  I will call them up to pay if I have to.  If an airport has a tie-down fee with appropriate notification, I will pay it.     I will figure out how to pay it.

If I get a bill that I don't owe, I will not pay it unless forced to do so by the government, but that hasn't happened yet.  It sounds like Vector has a lot of false positives which is too bad.

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9 hours ago, wombat said:

If an airport has a landing fee published correctly and I land there, I will pay it.   I don't care how they identify me or even if they do.  I will call them up to pay if I have to.  If an airport has a tie-down fee with appropriate notification, I will pay it.     I will figure out how to pay it.

If I get a bill that I don't owe, I will not pay it unless forced to do so by the government, but that hasn't happened yet.  It sounds like Vector has a lot of false positives which is too bad.

Might not be so bad.  Probably they are well practiced at dismissing charges when someone says “I didn’t do it”.

 

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I got a bill from Vector by email a couple of weeks ago for $300 past due. The tail number in the bill was not mine. They managed to link my last name and email to an LLC apparently owned by someone of the same last name.  They got a reply to go f*ck themselves without further explanation. Then the airport contacted me trying to collect. They got a more detailed explanation, including a critique of their decision to work with such a predatory business.

 

 

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21 hours ago, DXB said:

I got a bill from Vector by email a couple of weeks ago for $300 past due. The tail number in the bill was not mine. They managed to link my last name and email to an LLC apparently owned by someone of the same last name.  They got a reply to go f*ck themselves without further explanation. Then the airport contacted me trying to collect. They got a more detailed explanation, including a critique of their decision to work with such a predatory business.

I think the pre-internet, small town response would be to put a flaming bag of dog feces on their front porch and ring the doorbell. 

(you can't take me anywhere...)

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I recently got a landing fee bill from Santa Monica for when my plane was there a decade ago....I forgot the details and just threw it away....

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On 4/29/2025 at 7:34 PM, dkkim73 said:

I think the pre-internet, small town response would be to put a flaming bag of dog feces on their front porch and ring the doorbell. 

(you can't take me anywhere...)

As long as you don't see a penguin...ha

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So, just to go on record. Greed has no limits. The easier the scam, the more likely it will happen. Using ADSB (Federal System) to enable a private company to convince the local airport this is found money ???  What is the down side to simply refusing to pay that specific fee?? Probably less than a $100 fee. Now the local airport has to put effort into collecting.  Probably the end of the effort. Just my 2 Cents.

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2 minutes ago, Mark942 said:

So, just to go on record. Greed has no limits. The easier the scam, the more likely it will happen. Using ADSB (Federal System) to enable a private company to convince the local airport this is found money ???  What is the down side to simply refusing to pay that specific fee?? Probably less than a $100 fee. Now the local airport has to put effort into collecting.  Probably the end of the effort. Just my 2 Cents.

Liens are pretty easy 

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1 hour ago, hammdo said:

Hopefully they get some support, but I don’t feel like there’s much backing for us “airplane owners with deep pockets” to get the govt to help us avoid fees no matter how onerous the business practices.

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18 minutes ago, Ragsf15e said:

Hopefully they get some support, but I don’t feel like there’s much backing for us “airplane owners with deep pockets” to get the govt to help us avoid fees no matter how onerous the business practices.

I tend to agree that 3 Senators from N.C., Alaska, and Montana are unlikely to get much traction on such a bill...especially when Vector and their political cronies & lobbyists catch wind of it.:(

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1 hour ago, MikeOH said:

I tend to agree that 3 Senators from N.C., Alaska, and Montana are unlikely to get much traction on such a bill...especially when Vector and their political cronies & lobbyists catch wind of it.:(

Hard to know Vector's valuation since private but they are a small company, and their revenue seems to be in the 1-10million range. It's not certain they will have much power at the moment, but they are growing now - time to stomp them out.  GA does have a modicum of power, and so the political sausage machine might get something like this passed eventually.

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2 hours ago, DXB said:

Hard to know Vector's valuation since private but they are a small company, and their revenue seems to be in the 1-10million range. It's not certain they will have much power at the moment, but they are growing now - time to stomp them out.  GA does have a modicum of power, and so the political sausage machine might get something like this passed eventually.

I sure hope so.

We’ll see what AOPA does with this…

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18 hours ago, MikeOH said:

I sure hope so.

We’ll see what AOPA does with this…

I'd bet on their usual: not much, if anything. Friends of mine took fought the Vermont Transportation Authority all the way up to the Supreme Court of Vermont and won. AOPA couldn't even write an article in the magazine or send an email blast to other owners in the state to alert other of the of the issue so they could have join the case.

I cancelled AOPA earlier this summer.

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I asked vector about the new congress 44114 blocking access to owner name and addy and how they’d bill people without having current owner info 

 

their response 

 

Right now everything is in flux at the FAA and they still have another year to get it all figured out.  There is there is a comment period now specifically around how to implement:

…..except in furnished data or information made available to or from a Government agency pursuant to a government contract, subcontract, or agreement, including for traffic management purposes) the personally identifiable information of such individual, including on a publicly available website of the FAA.”

 

To me it seems that if you’re blocked on 44114 (as ADSB data is transmitted in the clear by design) and you’re not using a company call sign, especially if you’re not on a flight plan presuming their FOIAed those (not likely) not sure how they’d bill people not being able to say who the current owner is.

 

Not sure vector would be considered a gov agency by the same gov that blocked owner data

 

I believe all my fees are paid with the huge amount of taxes taken out of my check, I also just shrug at the bucket of crabs mentality of other taxpayers saying how airplane owners/home owners/fill in the blank should pay more 

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29 minutes ago, Jackk said:

I asked vector about the new congress 44114 blocking access to owner name and addy and how they’d bill people without having current owner info 

 

their response 

 

Right now everything is in flux at the FAA and they still have another year to get it all figured out.  There is there is a comment period now specifically around how to implement:

…..except in furnished data or information made available to or from a Government agency pursuant to a government contract, subcontract, or agreement, including for traffic management purposes) the personally identifiable information of such individual, including on a publicly available website of the FAA.”

 

To me it seems that if you’re blocked on 44114 (as ADSB data is transmitted in the clear by design) and you’re not using a company call sign, especially if you’re not on a flight plan presuming their FOIAed those (not likely) not sure how they’d bill people not being able to say who the current owner is.

 

Not sure vector would be considered a gov agency by the same gov that blocked owner data

 

I believe all my fees are paid with the huge amount of taxes taken out of my check, I also just shrug at the bucket of crabs mentality of other taxpayers saying how airplane owners/home owners/fill in the blank should pay more 

The airport authority will be the government agency and the contractor will be SkyVector. It's the same principle applied by private companies on red light camera (although those ended in many areas for other reasons).

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55 minutes ago, Paul Thomas said:

The airport authority will be the government agency and the contractor will be SkyVector. It's the same principle applied by private companies on red light camera (although those ended in many areas for other reasons).


 Wonder how that will play out, hopefully it brings the whole thing to a legal battle, I mean the airport is federally funded, the yocals arnt providing any real service, funding “administration” for the sake of administration sounds like a loser.

 

“We need town workers to collect cash so we can fund town workers to collect cash”

Or six figures for a “airport manager” at a podunk low traffic CTAF field who basically sits at their aircon desk with high speed wifi just checking their email, watching Netflix and occasionally thinks of ways to collect more money 

 

 just a pyramid schemish like scam IMO

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