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kortopates Grand Master

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Noise protection I get, supplemental O2 I don't. All 3 of my past dogs have done fine without O2 flying as high as 16-17 for upto a bit under 2 hrs. When I started over 20 yrs ago there was no option for it and initially approached altitudes cautiously. But the dog did much better than we did after some experience I saw no point in trying to provide it. All grew to appreciate the mutt muff though in time after start up.

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aviatoreb Grand Master

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19 minutes ago, kortopates said:

Noise protection I get, supplemental O2 I don't. All 3 of my past dogs have done fine without O2 flying as high as 16-17 for upto a bit under 2 hrs. When I started over 20 yrs ago there was no option for it and initially approached altitudes cautiously. But the dog did much better than we did after some experience I saw no point in trying to provide it. All grew to appreciate the mutt muff though in time after start up.

Dogs are fantastic athletes.

https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20832277/the-canine-kings-of-endurance/

"...you get a VO2max of 70 to 105 ml/kg/min. A typical value for elite (human) endurance athletes is about 80 ml/kg/min, which suggests that exceptional humans can compete with mediocre dogs on a pound-for-pound basis."

So your family dog probably has a V02max like your average US Olympic marathon runner.  And the best athlete dogs (sled dogs?) are better than any human ever measured.

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neilpilot Mentor

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41 minutes ago, kortopates said:

Noise protection I get, supplemental O2 I don't. All 3 of my past dogs have done fine without O2 flying as high as 16-17 for upto a bit under 2 hrs. When I started over 20 yrs ago there was no option for it and initially approached altitudes cautiously. But the dog did much better than we did after some experience I saw no point in trying to provide it. All grew to appreciate the mutt muff though in time after start up.

In general, when dogs (without supplemental O2) are transported by air the pilot is encouraged to stay at or below 8k.  I'm sure a brief diversion higher is fine, but I would not venture much above 10k even for an extended period.  How well a particular dog can tolerate altitude is significantly dependent on breed.  Brachycephalic dog breeds (I've owned Maltese and Shih Tzu) are particularly susceptible to breathing distress at altitude. https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/dog-breeds/brachycephalic-dog-breeds/

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kortopates Grand Master

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3 hours ago, neilpilot said:

In general, when dogs (without supplemental O2) are transported by air the pilot is encouraged to stay at or below 8k.  I'm sure a brief diversion higher is fine, but I would not venture much above 10k even for an extended period.  How well a particular dog can tolerate altitude is significantly dependent on breed.  Brachycephalic dog breeds (I've owned Maltese and Shih Tzu) are particularly susceptible to breathing distress at altitude. https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/dog-breeds/brachycephalic-dog-breeds/

admittedly my dog breed experience is limited to 2 Labs and 1 Jack Russel mutt terrier - all of which have been exceptional runners that still want to fetch at 9+K when I am still struggling to acclimate! 

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kortopates Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Canadian Gal said:

My great dane at 14000' had no problems at all.

I know a pilot that had 2 Great Danes - she transported them in Cardinal with the rear seats out. The Cardinal SUV was perfect for them. I wonder if just one would fit in the back seat of my Mooney? I would imagine it would be a tight fit for him/her!

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58 minutes ago, kortopates said:

I know a pilot that had 2 Great Danes - she transported them in Cardinal with the rear seats out. The Cardinal SUV was perfect for them. I wonder if just one would fit in the back seat of my Mooney? I would imagine it would be a tight fit for him/her!

My Dane has flown with me extensively.

He is always happy to do any sort of trip, be it car, plane, riding on my quad, or going for a run when i mountain bike or ride my horse.

He has spent lots of time in Mexico with me, stayed at more than 50 hotels, rides in the canoe with me on multi day paddles, and can eat an entire apple pie in under 10 seconds. Every year for his birthday I make him an apple pie, and not once has there been any left in 10 seconds of giving it to him.

My horse and dog are best buddies, and often run around together, then nap together.

 

carusoam Grand Master

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CG,

You need to post some pics from your part of the Mooney world..!

Sounds a bit like paradise!

:)
 

We have a thread around here somewhere… the MSer was all about his particular dog… and ended up buying a parachuted plane…

He liked doing the search and research….

Dog O2 seems to be a more common idea lately… especially for those with short noses…

 

Loud noises seem to be the most problematic for my dog… and the O isn’t very loud inside… to the humans.

Best regards,

-a-

 

Something else to consider…. Searching for dog can’t be done using the MS search function… but, Google can handle it… the three letter word is too small to handle.

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I live pretty near to the geographical center, of the province of British Columbia, the western most province in Canada.

My 17 acre slice of heaven is beside a small lake.

A farm not far away has a private airstrip he allows me, and a few others to use. Wish it had a nice heated hangar for me to use, but at least it has a lean to for parking.

My little Honda generator supplies the power when needed.

I prefer to keep my 185 on floats during the summer, and tied to my dock.

 

https://www.brmbmaps.com/explore/canada/british-columbia/west-lake-provincial-park/west-lake-provincial-park/77324

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Pinecone Grand Master

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AWESOME.

Even if you end up not getting a Mooney, please stay active here.  You brighten up the place. :D

I need to upgrade my Private ASES to Commercial.  There is a 185 on floats at a school not far away that is on my short list.  But there is also I school in FL that does the rating in Maules on floats.  Hmmm.    I have flown a C-180 on wheels, but never a 185.

Also need to get some time in C-20x aircraft.  

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3 hours ago, Pinecone said:

AWESOME.

Even if you end up not getting a Mooney, please stay active here.  You brighten up the place. :D

I need to upgrade my Private ASES to Commercial.  There is a 185 on floats at a school not far away that is on my short list.  But there is also I school in FL that does the rating in Maules on floats.  Hmmm.    I have flown a C-180 on wheels, but never a 185.

Also need to get some time in C-20x aircraft.  

Thanks for those kind words.

If you wait till summer time, and come to BC, I'll gladly take you out in my 185 on floats.

There are so many lakes and rivers around me to land on, the possibilities are almost endless.

Once comfortable with floats, and your planes performance to get airborne, you will be going out on flights just to see a new little place.

My 185 has the IO550 in it, I never flew it with the original 520, as I bought it this way.

That and the STOL kit on it, it takes off surprisingly quick.

Not to mention that its usually leaving wherever well under gross, as it has burned off fuel by then, and I cannot remember the last time I filled the seats.

 

 

Pinecone Grand Master

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Watch out, I may take you up on that.

At this time, I can't fly there, until Canada recognizes Basic Med. :)

I have flown most of the Cessna singles, will work on the remainder.

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