WAT 10% Off Oshkosh Promo Through August 7th

[OSUAV8TER]

Mooney friends,

If you are coming to Oshkosh, I will be in Hangar B, booth 2137 with SwitcheOn, WAT LED and HID lighting, fluorosilicone fuel cap o-ring kits, and Marsh Brothers products.

WAT is running a 10% off promotion on LED and HID lighting. That includes all LED beacon lights, the new G3 PAR-36 LED landing and taxi lights, the new G3 PAR-46 landing light, LED wingtip lights, LED tail lights, an more! If you have questions about what you need for your aircraft, please email me. If you call, I'll try to answer but if I don't, please leave a voice mail and I'll call you back.

If you can't make the show, we are running the promotion on my website at https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/wh ... hting.html.

gallagheraviationllc@gmail.com <-- Email me
1-833-425-5288 <-- call me

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by OSUAV8TER
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[PeteMc]

Drat!!  No LED replacement for the 70303 Wingtip Recognition Light????

 

[OSUAV8TER]

2 minutes ago, PeteMc said:

Drat!!  No LED replacement for the 70303 Wingtip Recognition Light????

 

They are actually making a debut at the show and I am taking a 10% deposit preorder with delivery later this year (could be as late as the end of this year). YES it is coming! We have been waiting for this!

Email me at gallagheraviationllc@gmail.com if you want to preorder. $231.20 each side so a deposit of $47.74 (includes shipping deposit).

[OSUAV8TER]

PAR-36 G3 LED landing lights are discounted to $269.1 and the PAR-46 version is also discounted to $359.10. They are the brightest lights out there for the best price. They are a worthy upgrade from previous generation Parmetheus lamps.

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/whelen-aircraft-lighting.html <-- Check out my website here

gallagheraviationllc@gmail.com <-- Email me here

[OSUAV8TER]

I am shipping lights from Oshkosh (if still in stock). If you have questions, email me at gallagheraviationllc@gmail.com because that is the best way to communicate with me while at Oshkosh (besides coming to see me).

James

[carusoam]

James did you see the other thread regarding recog lights… I sent you an invite…

-a-

[OSUAV8TER]

I learned on Saturday that this promotion has been extended until August 7th.

[PeteMc]

On 8/2/2022 at 8:09 AM, OSUAV8TER said:

I learned on Saturday that this promotion has been extended until August 7th.

I had sent you an email and a PM, but haven't heard back.

I do not see anywhere on your website where to pre-order the LED Recognition Lights.  Should I be going to WAT?

 

 

[OSUAV8TER]

2 minutes ago, PeteMc said:

I had sent you an email and a PM, but haven't heard back.

I do not see anywhere on your website where to pre-order the LED Recognition Lights.  Should I be going to WAT?

 

 

Can you re-send me an email at gallagheraviationllc@gmail.com and bump it to the top? I will answer. There is no way to pre-order them on my website at this time (good food for though though). The deposit is $47.74.

[PeteMc]

59 minutes ago, OSUAV8TER said:

Can you re-send me an email

Sent...

 

[OSUAV8TER]

If you want to pre-order the new LED recogntion light, I have set it up on my website. Go to https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/whelen-aircraft-lighting.html to pre-order.

 

[toto]

So I’ve read the many many threads on LED lights, and I think I understand Bertorelli’s position … but specifically about the new G3 PAR 46, should I feel comfortable from an airframe log perspective replacing an incandescent bulb with one of these myself?

(I think PB would say there’s no such thing as an approved light bulb, so there’s no need for STC or PMA and you should go ahead and screw in a tractor bulb or whatever - but I have a burned-out incandescent now and I’m just trying to figure out whether I should take advantage of this WAT sale right now and get a forever bulb to install myself.)

 

ETA: I removed the bit about this being non-PMA since I seem to be incapable of striking it through. Thanks @OSUAV8TER for the correction. 

[OSUAV8TER]

3 minutes ago, toto said:

So I’ve read the many many threads on LED lights, and I think I understand Bertorelli’s position … but specifically about the new G3 PAR 46, which is I guess STC’d but not PMA’d (yet), should I feel comfortable from an airframe log perspective replacing an incandescent bulb with one of these myself?

(I think PB would say there’s no such thing as an approved light bulb, so there’s no need for STC or PMA and you should go ahead and screw in a tractor bulb or whatever - but I have a burned-out incandescent now and I’m just trying to figure out whether I should take advantage of this WAT sale right now and get a forever bulb - or whether I should hold off until there’s a PMA or pay a shop to do it.)

The new G3 PAR-46 has both a PMA and STC. The PAR-46 G3 is an exceptional light emitting around 250,000 candle power. See attached.

G3_PAR46_PMA.pdf

[Pinecone]

But installing under the STC requires it to be done by an A&P?   Or at least signed off by one.

[toto]

1 minute ago, Pinecone said:

But installing under the STC requires it to be done by an A&P?   Or at least signed off by one.

Yeah this is what I'm trying to understand. Can I just do this with a WAT bulb as owner preventive maintenance? If I have to schedule time at the shop I'll just buy a replacement incandescent and wait until a more convenient time. 

[PT20J]

13 minutes ago, toto said:

Yeah this is what I'm trying to understand. Can I just do this with a WAT bulb as owner preventive maintenance? If I have to schedule time at the shop I'll just buy a replacement incandescent and wait until a more convenient time. 

The PMA just allows WAT to build the parts. The STC allows installation. An STC requires a 337. It is open to interpretation if you can install them without the STC, but I have not personally heard of anyone having a problem with installing LED lights without an STC. Perhaps some of the IAs here might weigh in as to whether they would have a problem with such an installation. The original incandescent bulbs are not TSO'd or STC'd but rather are considered standard parts built to an industry specification. Unfortunately, I'm unaware of any industry standard specifications for LED replacements. Clearly some of the earlier generation LED bulbs are inferior to the incandescent bulbs they replace. 

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[OSUAV8TER]

8 hours ago, PT20J said:

The PMA just allows WAT to build the parts. The STC allows installation. An STC requires a 337. It is open to interpretation if you can install them without the STC, but I have not personally heard of anyone having a problem with installing LED lights without an STC. Perhaps some of the IAs here might weigh in as to whether they would have a problem with such an installation. The original incandescent bulbs are not TSO'd or STC'd but rather are considered standard parts built to an industry specification. Unfortunately, I'm unaware of any industry standard specifications for LED replacements. Clearly some of the earlier generation LED bulbs are inferior to the incandescent bulbs they replace. 

Skip

Not to muddy the waters anymore, but you can install a PMA'd part without an STC and it is becoming more common now to have parts that are PMA approved that carry no STC (they might be TSO certified, etc.). So one could install the PMA with a logbook entry as the installation authority versus the STC (major alteration and a 337). So I interpret the G3 as having two pathways to installation (STC and PMA). I installed my G3 PAR-46 lamps on my Bonanza with a logbook entry citing the PMA authority. It is literally like replacing an incandescent bulb (power and a ground wire hookup). I also respect those who wish to install via the STC and have an A&P/IA file a 337 but to me, this is not a major alteration. 

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/article/10386647/pma-parts-marking-and-approval-a-look-at-the-regulations 

[PeteMc]

11 hours ago, Pinecone said:

But installing under the STC requires it to be done by an A&P?   Or at least signed off by one.

Does the bulb possibly require a new connector, or is it just the two screw poles like the old ones?  If it requires a new connector, I'm guessing that's the STC part that needs to be done in a shop.  If the bulb burns out (yea right, in your life time ) or more realistically gets damaged or is defective, then it's owner maintenance just to change the bulb.

[OSUAV8TER]

1 minute ago, PeteMc said:

Does the bulb possibly require a new connector, or is it just the two screw poles like the old ones?  If it requires a new connector, I'm guessing that's the STC part that needs to be done in a shop.  If the bulb burns out (yea right, in your life time ) or more realistically gets damaged or is defective, then it's owner maintenance just to change the bulb.

It should not require a new connector. You will take the existing power and ground connector (round electrical connector) and hook them up to the G3 power and ground posts.

[PeteMc]

1 minute ago, OSUAV8TER said:

It should not require a new connector.

So much for that idea then.  Just figured there may be some modification that moved it above just swapping out a bulb. 

 

[PT20J]

3 hours ago, OSUAV8TER said:

Not to muddy the waters anymore, but you can install a PMA'd part without an STC and it is becoming more common now to have parts that are PMA approved that carry no STC (they might be TSO certified, etc.). So one could install the PMA with a logbook entry as the installation authority versus the STC (major alteration and a 337). So I interpret the G3 as having two pathways to installation (STC and PMA). I installed my G3 PAR-46 lamps on my Bonanza with a logbook entry citing the PMA authority. It is literally like replacing an incandescent bulb (power and a ground wire hookup). I also respect those who wish to install via the STC and have an A&P/IA file a 337 but to me, this is not a major alteration. 

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/article/10386647/pma-parts-marking-and-approval-a-look-at-the-regulations 

Thanks for the clarification. Here is the most recent guidance from the FAA. https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/pma

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[OSUAV8TER]

19 minutes ago, PeteMc said:

So much for that idea then.  Just figured there may be some modification that moved it above just swapping out a bulb. 

 

It's really just swapping a bulb. The reason why there is an STC is because your traditional incandescent bulb was considered a standard part. Changing from incandescent to LED drove an STC for an airplane manufacturing company (also PMA). It is the least risky avenue to do it for them. You don't want to get caught by the FAA for manufacturing unapproved parts.

[OSUAV8TER]

2 minutes ago, PT20J said:

Thanks for the clarification. Here is the most recent guidance from the FAA. https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/pma

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Yes their PMA is for both Design and Production. Here is the Design narrative:

"The design approval phase of PMA certifies that a replacement or modification article complies with the airworthiness standards of eligible products (aircraft, engine, or propeller). The applicant shows this compliance through tests and computations unless the article is identical to the article design on a type-certificated product. Identicality means that an article is the same in all respects to an article design in a type-certificated product. Evidence of license agreement shows this identicality."

[OSUAV8TER]

I just clarified with WAT - if you install it utilizing the PMA authority, the owner/operator can do it with a logbook entry (no A&P or A&P/IA required).

[Pinecone]

Awesome.