arikanoandy Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Link To Kathryn’s Report After reading the report, I have a hard time believing it was a normal, stabilized approach. I come to this conclusion based upon fact that the top of the right wing was penetrated by the landing gear. Ring another one up toward nosebleed insurance premiums. Quote
Bartman Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 I’m no accident investigator but I think it would take a lot of energy to run off the right side of the runway, then back across the runway and exit on the left side, then go thru the grass to the spot where it stopped moving.....All of this with a collapsed right landing gear. Quote
carusoam Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 It’s likely that the pilot’s report doesn’t actually cover what happened…. He may have arrived on scene a few seconds after the plane did…. It would be cool if he were here… and could recall how many bounces it takes to pile drive the nose wheel into the pavement… Three bounces is the average number for a prop strike… One bounce is enough to power up and go around… Two bounces usually happens when you are a touch slow on the decision making… Three bounces means you didn’t decide… and the wild ride has already begun… Short runways like KBID…. Make late decisions more painful… And the desire to force the landing more powerful… https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N58066 Recovering this plane from that spot is going to be interesting…. I wasn’t there, so… This is the type of damage caused by improper speed control on a short runway… PP thoughts only… Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
carusoam Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 See if @Alan Fox has seen this one… -a- 1 Quote
chriscalandro Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 That pilot report is about as accurate as the one from the Mooney summit mid air. Quote
mike_elliott Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Fake news. There was never a Mooney Summit mid air. 2 Quote
Hank Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 4 hours ago, chriscalandro said: That pilot report is about as accurate as the one from the Mooney summit mid air. I believe you mean the Mooney Caravan to Oshkosh midair . . . . Quote
chriscalandro Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Hank said: I believe you mean the Mooney Caravan to Oshkosh midair . . . . You’re right. I was reading the summit thread when I wrote that. I got my mixed words up. Quote
Guest Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 12:40 AM, carusoam said: He may have arrived on scene a few seconds after the plane did…. A number of Air Traffic Controllers I knew always told me that most Mooney’s have two radar echos. The first is the plane, then a few miles behind was the pilot. I’m sure they didn’t mean anyone here though! Clarence Quote
Alan Fox Posted July 22, 2021 Report Posted July 22, 2021 I thought the mid air was the summit ??? Anyway , I had to piss at Block Island , and I was multitasking pissing , and evaluating , That plane was destroyed BIG TIME , whoever landed that thing , spent some time at the Chiropractor , IT IS THAT BAD.... Quote
Yetti Posted July 22, 2021 Report Posted July 22, 2021 I would like to suggest you can have a stabilized approach and then miss on the touch down part of the transition back to earth. Quote
Hank Posted July 22, 2021 Report Posted July 22, 2021 17 hours ago, Alan Fox said: I thought the mid air was the summit ??? Anyway , I had to piss at Block Island , and I was multitasking pissing , and evaluating , That plane was destroyed BIG TIME , whoever landed that thing , spent some time at the Chiropractor , IT IS THAT BAD.... This was the midair, the Caravan going into Oshkosh. Have a quick read, it's all there in the first post. Read the whole thread, find out what accountability has been accepted and what remediation was done. There are many curious folks here who want to know the answers to those two issues, but have been unable to find out . . . . . Quote
chriscalandro Posted July 23, 2021 Report Posted July 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Hank said: This was the midair, the Caravan going into Oshkosh. Have a quick read, it's all there in the first post. Read the whole thread, find out what accountability has been accepted and what remediation was done. There are many curious folks here who want to know the answers to those two issues, but have been unable to find out . . . . . 1 Quote
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