Say Type

[201er]

When ATC asks me to say type (during VFR), should I say M20J or M20P? For IFR, apparently I'm supposed to file M20P (which is all non-turbo Mooneys). Also should I say it as "em twenty jay" or "mike two zero juliet?"

[rob]

You're a Mike Two Zero Papa as far as ATC is concerned.

[FAST FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC]

When you call ATC (VFR) they obviously want to know who you are, where you are, and what altitude your at. This helps them determine if you belong on that frequency or somewhere else. Once they track you and radar identify you they are going to want to get you in the computer. I believe they can only eneter the informaiton the same way you enter it in DUATS so... I would would say specifically "M20P (or T) slant (your equipment code)" to avoid confussion

[PTK]

All ATC really cares about is who you are, where you are, how high you are and what's your speed relative to other aircraft they are dealing with.  I think "Mooney Mike two zero Papa (or Tango)" is sufficient as far as who and what relative speed to expect.

[231flyer]

I attended a talk given by a retired controller in Colorado (Rocky Mountain fly-in) and he preferred "EM TWO ZERO PAPA (or TANGO if turbo like me)".  I also own a Piper Mirage and controllers in the DFW area refer to it as a "P A forty  six" (PA46-350P official type) but the Mooney is refered as above so not sure if there is exact nomenclature (except M20P or T).

[sreid]

I am afraid 'M20 slant P' would cause more confusion, because M20P is the aircraft identifier.  

M20P slant G or slant A, or whatever your suffix is, would be correct, but I think ATC would be happy with M20P as rob suggested.

[rob]

ATC is asking for a type, not a model designation. ATC is aware of M20P and M20T. If you aren't turbocharged, your type is M20P - Regardless of if your model is an A - J.

Using a slant would indicate an equipment code, and I don't think /P is a valid one (or if so, I've never heard of it). I wouldn't say "slant" on the radio unless you were going to specify how you're equipped, and even then I'd so so after identifying your type. For example, I'd be a "Mike two zero papa slant golf"

[ChrisH]

Curious, why would you say EM, and not MIKE? E.g. MIKE 2 0 TANGO vs.  EM 2 0 TANGO? I have no idea what's correct, I've done both probably, and they must have worked because I don't rembember getting any feeback.

 

[KSMooniac]

I always say "M-20-Papa" since they already know me as a Mooney from the call-up.  Out of habit I sometimes throw in "slant Golf" as well.

[231flyer]

I am sure the correct nomenclature and phraseology is covered in an official ATC publication.  I found an easy two pager that seems to cover most for new pilots.  Not comprehensive but adequate to keep the controllers happy that your are trying to be intelligible.  

http://www.flyjohn.com/atc_phraseology.pdf

 

[Hank]

When they ask [not very often], I tell 'em "MIKE TWO ZERO PAPA." Of course, "Mooney" is included in my initial call up, too.

I'm asked somewhat more often about my equipment, and I always reply "SLANT GOLF" to those queries. Not sure what combining the "slant" into the "type" would do to ATC, but it would confuse ME . . .

[Piloto]

What they really need to know if you are a piston or turbine plane for speed purposes. This way they can decide whether to put you ahead or behind a jet plane. Typical pistons approach speed is 80kts while turbines would be 120kts. All you need to tell them is I am Mooney. All Mooney models have the same approach speed for ATC purposes

 

José

[orangemtl]

"Mike 20 Tango Slant Golf" is what my instructor recommended for the Acclaim.  Better slightly more info than less for ATC, I'm presuming. If they want to simply enter 'Mooney' into their system, so be it.

[201er]

Do they really care if you're slant whatever if you're strictly VFR?

[orangemtl]

I dunno. Perhaps it's useful for them; perhaps not.

Better to provide the info, IMO; hardly an additional effort.  I tend to follow the original recommendations of my instructor. I see no downside.

[Shadrach]

Quote: Piloto

What they really need to know if you are a piston or turbine plane for speed purposes. This way they can decide whether to put you ahead or behind a jet plane. Typical pistons approach speed is 80kts while turbines would be 120kts. All you need to tell them is I am Mooney. All Mooney models have the same approach speed for ATC purposes

 

José

[Shadrach]

Quote: 201er

Do they really care if you're slant whatever if you're strictly VFR?

[Cabanaboy]

After reading this, my conclusion is we have agreed on "Mooney Mike Two Zero Papa"....For a "J".

[carusoam]

Phonetically M20P, egotistically append Ovation after /G

Best regards,

-a-

[Shadrach]

I just say M20Papa... They get it without needing the phonetics. That's how they say it to me, so I just match talk.

[Parker_Woodruff]

"Mike Twenty Papa"

 

I guess I should be saying "Mike Twenty Tango" now...

[lahso]

Quote: Shadrach

I just say M20Papa...

[Cabanaboy]

I am a new private pilot, do you say hold short Thirtysix? When ATC tells you to hold short for landing traffic on 36 or hold short tree six?

[carusoam]

Cabana,

If they say tree, I say tree.  Got this around Philly this week.

Runway would be tree six

Altitude one one thousand, not eleven thousand.

-a-

[Seth]

Quote: Parker_Woodruff

"Mike Twenty Papa"

 

I guess I should be saying "Mike Twenty Tango" now...