Thoughts on purchase of M20C?

[N601RX]

All the engine suffix changes can be found here. http://www.meyette.us/LycomingEngineNumbers.htm

[ryoder]

According to the TCDS for these airplanes:

 

The C models were equipped with A1D or A1A engines, both have 8.5 to 1 compression ratio pistons. 

 

The D models were equipped with A1D or A2D engines, both have 8.5 to 1 compression ratio pistons. 

 

Bonal is either pulling your leg or someone has pulled his and he's passing it on...

Yeah that's what I thought. I bet the O360 could run a bit higher compressin just fine since we have 100 octane gas. My old Z28 with a 305 used 8.6 to 1 and ran on 87 pump gas.

[bonal]

According to the TCDS for these airplanes:

The C models were equipped with A1D or A1A engines, both have 8.5 to 1 compression ratio pistons.

The D models were equipped with A1D or A2D engines, both have 8.5 to 1 compression ratio pistons.

Bonal is either pulling your leg or someone has pulled his and he's passing it on...

Definitely had my tongue planted in my cheek.

[carusoam]

The helicopter version of the IO360 uses high compression pistons...

Somebody has tried to sell that as an upgrade to an OH.

It didn't work as planned. A MS search will find the whole story...

10:1 Pistons went into the '92 LT-1 engine that used counter flow cooling to go with that... An improvement over the previous L98 engine...

Best regards,

-a-

[Shadrach]

Yeah that's what I thought. I bet the O360 could run a bit higher compressin just fine since we have 100 octane gas. My old Z28 with a 305 used 8.6 to 1 and ran on 87 pump gas.

 

All of the Lyc 200hp angle valve engines have 8.7 to 1 pistons.  Anecdotally, they seem to run much cooler than their 180hp carbureted, parallel valve counter parts with 8.5 to 1 pistons.

[N601RX]

Firewall foward offers the 10:1 STC for the I0360. They make a lot of performance claims for it, but a few people on Mooneyspace reported problems with it a few years ago.

[Raptor05121]

Best case, N6744U will be in my hangar this Saturday, worst case, by Wednesday after next.

[ryoder]

I want to come see it.

[Rod Vivian]

2 months into my C it needed a new prop. Buying a plane is like adopting a child and then finding out you have to put him/her through Harvard. I feel that it there are 3 parts to ownership- owner, plane, and mechanic. My mechanic is almost part if our family. I've owned it now for 21 years. My wife and I have built our expenses around it, plane ownership is similar to a vacation home. I wonder what, " the hourly costs of having a child is?"

Looking over that time it has brought my family a great deal of pleasure. Through the airplane we have seen places and have had experiences that have been the high points of life. We live in Cincinnati and have been to Jackson Hole, Nassau, Bar Harbor, Sedona. We have family in Fort Worth and Phiily and the plane allows 2-3 visits a year. Grandchildren in Detroit and Columbus--- the plane cuts travel from 2hrs to 40 mins and is more fun. I work hard and work long hours. Getting away is difficult. Having the plane enables me to maximize my time off.

My youngest daughter just graduated from college and got a teaching job in Mesa, Az. Wife, 20 year old son and I just flew back from there yesterday. Going out we spent 2 days in Santa Fe. Flying into and out of Phoenix was amazing. Those aren't hills, they look like," plane traps". My wife laughed, " it felt like the home stretch over the Texas pan handle". 10 hours of headwind going and 8 returning, how does that happen? A trip is an existential experience. We go for how long the weather lasts, we don't fight it, but stop and drop. I wonder if the plane enabled my daughter's choice to move 2000 miles away, she didn't even ask my opinion?

Nearly all of my friends I have met through aviation. We have landed at so many places where people have gone out of thier way to be helpful. The word," community" comes to mind. Cross country flying is nearly the last place in our culture where you can have adventure. Blue water sailing is similar. There is expense, training, and risk but incredible satisfaction of mastery and seeing new places and meeting new people. As we get older, it's easy to play it safe and let the world shrink around us, the comfort zone gets smaller.

It was found that as people face death the concern they have is not about worries over past mistakes, but guilt over not taken advantage of opportunities due to fear.

Plane ownership will never be logical, but it can almost define how you live and who you are.

[MB65E]

Nice post Rod! You should publish it some place!

I think Aviators enjoy the last freedom we still have left in this country. I have learned so much about life in the last 5 years. Having 2 kids under 6 has changed me in more ways than I could imagin. I only hope that these little airplanes bring all our families closer.

Many more thoughts on what you mentioned. Too early to wright it all down. All the depressing info on the news, the crash in Sussex, Justin Wilsons Indy crash, and just the randomness of life makes you stop and think a bit. I think all the bad in life pushes us to make more good out of things. I truly think some times when I fly the world would be a better place if everyone had the view we all have. Let's all enjoy the View from our little airplanes.

Fly Safe,

-Matt

[Raptor05121]

I want to come see it.

It'll be here at 24J. Maybe next month when I get time in it to take passengers we can meet at OCF or the likes and grab some food

[ryoder]

It'll be here at 24J. Maybe next month when I get time in it to take passengers we can meet at OCF or the likes and grab some food

OCF sounds great.

[Browncbr1]

I think a lot of owners (and their significant others) would be surprised at the true operating cost of an airplane. If you really track all of your operating expenses, you would wonder why we do this.

This is why I prefer not to calculate the cost per hour.

It's counter productive.

[DonMuncy]

Why "per hour". I don't calculate my expenses at all.

[BigTex]

What expenses...

[Browncbr1]

Exactly!

[mpg]

quote,,  just for the bump to raptor to see

I am really pleased that your search had a positive result in Fl.  just 45 mi from your house!

Now I should soon write a similar thread about a M20E,  5 hr drive from my house here near Seattle.

 

See you in your new owner thread..

[Kejidog]

On July 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Raptor05121 said:

 

I find this hard to believe. I'm curious what the mean income level is here for peope, but I'd wager closer to 50k than 100k

Canadian salaries must be higher. Firefighter here in Nova Scotia here and bumping up over 90G. I waited to start lessons until i was steady in my position and can't fathom anything on 30 g a year. Although our tax levels are higher here in canada  and most everything is more expensive, i wouldn't even consider motorcycles as a hobby on 30 g a year 

 

and i was worried about a 23 g mooney. 

[Kejidog]

Posted above before I read all the pages. 

 

Congrats on your plane. I am jealous.

[ryoder]

On July 28, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Raptor05121 said:

 

I find this hard to believe. I'm curious what the mean income level is here for peope, but I'd wager closer to 50k than 100k

Canada is socialist right?  Florida is a low tax state with a Republican governor in a capitalist country.  So 90k goes a long way.  We have no state income tax here unlike most other states.