Airbus down in the Alps

[ryoder]

This guy will burn in Hell for his deeds. That much I know.

[Shadrach]

Of course now we'll hear the usual mantra of how "peaceful" Islam is and that he was just a mentaly disturbed individual!

Converts are dangerous because they can go unsuspected and hide easily.

I've yet to see any official recognition of his religion or ideology. Depression is very real. However, assigning it as the cause for the murder 150 people in a premeditated act, relieves the individual of responsibility for the act.

[Guest]

Shouldn't we be waiting for the official investigation before casting stones? My mother told me that for every finger pointed at someone, three others are pointing back at you.

Clarence

[Piloto]

I've yet to see any official recognition of his religion or ideology. Depression is very real. However, assigning it as the cause for the murder 150 people in a premeditated act, relieves the individual of responsibility for the act.

So he is getting off the hook and going to heavens?

José

[flyboy0681]

So he is getting off the hook and going to heavens?

José

 

Nope, he went straight to hell where he met up with Jeffrey Dahmer, Timothy McVeigh, fellow pilots from 9/11 and a few others. I'm sure they will have a lot to talk about for the rest of eternity.

[jetdriven]

Of course now we'll hear the usual mantra of how "peaceful" Islam is and that he was just a mentaly disturbed individual!

Converts are dangerous because they can go unsuspected and hide easily.

So are Christians. Or perhaps we leave religion out of this.

Tim McVeigh, David Koresh, and all those gun nuts who shot up schools and other acts of mass murder in this country were by far, white Protestants. Mostly Christians as it is. Look at it that way.

Explain the difference ?

One died for her sincerely held religious beliefs. The other cheated on her husband at a tea party convention.

[Andy95W]

For the "silver lining": the last 3 major airplane accidents were neither mechanical faults nor pilot error. They were intentional. The Malaysia 777 that was lost- most likely intentional; the Malaysia 777 that Putin's thugs shot down; this Airbus that apparently the F/O intentionally crashed.

Ironic to say, but this proves that air travel has never been safer.

[cliffy]

Daver328  well said!

Glad I'm gone from the rat race. It was all I could do to keep my mouth shut at TSA checks even 8 years ago.  I can't imagine what the next knee jerk reactions are going to be from our "knowledgeable" leaders.

We couldn't carry guns and we had to drop our drawers to make sure we didn't have a 2" pocket knife but we have a crash axe in the cockpit! Go figure. I told them (my CEO who didn't want us with guns after 9/11) that I didn't need a gun. I had the controls. 

I still say that if I took a full drink cart from the stew and drove it from 20 feet away (especially going downhill) I'd be through the door. Love to give it a try. 

You can't legislate insanity, stupidity or religious zealots.

If you want to talk 320s I think I have more time in them than both of the guys on that airplane and I'm not a big fan (or Airbus) of them but that is another story for another time. 

[Marauder]

Well, I just got back from Europe on a Lufthansa flight. Not sure what their interim policy change is since the incident, but I had full view of the cockpit door during our 9 hour return flight and them there Lufthansa boys never came out of the cockpit. Perhaps like Bennett and me, they became fans of Depends...

As for the co-pilot's background. Europe's labor laws are very strict and privacy is high on the list of what is shared or not. The works councils from the various countries, especially Germany monitor what information an employer can know. Not sure how this plays with a regulated industry like aviation, but it is very possible his issues during the transition from a part time French Fry maker to co-pilot were not fully disclosed.

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[ryoder]

We should stop putting people on pedestals because of their job title. Firefighters, teachers, pilots, mechanics, politicians, lawyers, journalists are all just positions filled by people. People have the capacity for sin. There are no jobs filled only by angels. Maybe the pilot mystique will be permanently lost after this and that is probably a good thing.

[Tom]

 

 

 

What does that even mean?

 

 

Maybe it means a location where who like to pee on themselves or others like to hang out. 

 

Or probably, more accurately, the question asks rhetorically when did this Mooney forum turn into a place where one could find so readily scriblings of hate and graffiti, often of a transgressive and/or low-brow nature.  Unfortunately, people who like to pee on themselves and others probably are incapable of appreciating any better manner of existance and are unaffected by such a rhetorical question.

[Guest]

So he is getting off the hook and going to heavens?José

No not in heaven, if the place exists, splattered on the side of a French mountain with everybody else.

Clarence

[PTK]

So are Christians. Or perhaps we leave religion out of this...

No matter how hard you try you just can't leave religion out of it.

Religious fundamentalism, all religious fundamentalism, has been historically and continues to be the problem.

Violence justified through religion, no matter which religion, is hard coded in the human DNA.

The question is when are we going to evolve out of it.

[flyboy0681]

Well, it can't be true then!  When Matt drudge posts it, we'll know it's false.  Or Limbaugh...that wind bag had the audacity to say that Susan Rice was full of *%&! the very day that she made "the video" proclamations on Bengazi. I'll wait for The Daily Kos to spell out the real truth. 

 

So far El Rushbo hasn't said anything about Lubitz conversion to radical Islam.

 

But there is an Obama connection, sort of. The irony in this article is almost too much to believe.

 

http://aviation-business-gazette.com/A44/B58/Pilot-Andreas-Guenter-Lubitz-Rheinland-Pfalz-.html

[FloridaMan]

Cameras in the cockpit? That sounds like potentially the end of topless water.

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[flyboy0681]

Cameras in the cockpit? That sounds like potentially the end of topless water.

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You mean like this?

 

www.break.com/embed/449759

[MyNameIsNobody]

Biting irony. Wow, maybe the list of disqualifications needs to include depression and loss of girlfriend? Maybe like the new VW CC replacement that chooses roads and routes based on your "mood" there will be a biometric hook-up that whispers to your fellow cabin crew member saying "Hey, dude your friend is about to freak out and kill everyone"...."might want to phone a friend and get out the 9mm from its cabinet".

Brave New World. Big Brother WILL be watching....Cameras? That is so 20th century....We are gonna hook you up. Open wide. "How does that make you feel"? Really....scribble, scribble data bank entry. Red mark on "who you are" duly noted.

[jetdriven]

So far El Rushbo hasn't said anything about Lubitz conversion to radical Islam.

 

But there is an Obama connection, sort of. The irony in this article is almost too much to believe.

 

http://aviation-business-gazette.com/A44/B58/Pilot-Andreas-Guenter-Lubitz-Rheinland-Pfalz-.html

It's fake. Every airman's name is in that fake site

[ryoder]

Violence in itself is not a bad thing. Sometimes it is necessary. Murder is unjustified violence. When I was a juror the judge asked us if we think that violence is never justified. Guess what happened to those who said it was never justified?

[jetdriven]

When is it necessary?

[Guest]

When is it necessary?

After some posts here!

Clarence

[ryoder]

Violence is necessary and appropriate for a police officer to use violence to subdue a perp that is resisting, when protecting your home from a robber, when bouncing a drunk out of a bar, when serving your country etc. This is why martial arts exists, to practice committing violent acts against other people for legitimate reasons.

[MyNameIsNobody]

When is violence necessary?

-When you are thrown off a roof and killed for being gay

-When you are beaten to death by a crowd for allegedly burning a book

-When you are be-headed based on your religion

-When you are burned to death for being a combat pilot captured by the enemy

-When someone enters your home and aggresses toward you or a family member

-When you are in a position to enforce the law and someone attempts to use a weapon to attack you

-When someone uses a vehicle as a weapon

-When someone attempts to curb you

-When someone resists arrest

-When someone fails to follow the instructions of an officer of the law

-When a country tells you they will wipe you from the face of the earth

-When someone attempts to sexually assault you

-When someone attempts to steal your possessions

-When someone riots and damages property of others

-When someone kidnaps/holds hostages/individuals against their will

-When someone assaults you/battery...physically strikes you threatens you with a deadly weapon-knife, gun, baseball bat, machete, samauri sword, chainsaw, pipe, board etc...

[Hector]

Time to bring back the flight engineer position

[ryoder]

Hector I was thinking the same thing.