Gear up in the grass at KDWH

[bcg]

Anyone have any details about this? I saw this picture this morning and heard the crash on a hangar surveillance video, you hear it go full throttle and then hear the crash.  Hopefully everyone made it out OK and damage is minimal.

[Yetti]

Well at least they kept it out of the water runway.   DWH has been known to have gravity surges about once a week.   Looks like the registration changed hands in May.   So might have been purchased earlier in the year.

Edited June 20 by Yetti

[1980Mooney]

7 hours ago, bcg said:

Anyone have any details about this? I saw this picture this morning and heard the crash on a hangar surveillance video, you hear it go full throttle and then hear the crash.  Hopefully everyone made it out OK and damage is minimal.

 

4 hours ago, Yetti said:

Well at least they kept it out of the water runway.   DWH has been known to have gravity surges about once a week.   Looks like the registration changed hands in May.   So might have been purchased earlier in the year.

This is the same sad old story that those who lord over this site don't want to hear or talk about.  It drives up insurance rates and just continues to make Mooney's almost uninsurable for new pilots.

• New purchase - not purchased earlier in the year as @Yetti suggested
  • Registered May 28, 2024 in purchase from owner in Prescott AZ
  • Plane relocated from Prescott AZ to David Wayne Hooks in Houston on May 10-11
    • https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a0b1bc&lat=32.042&lon=-105.643&zoom=6.9&showTrace=2024-05-11&trackLabels&timestamp=1713648404
• Appears to be a new Pilot.  Registration is to an LLC.  The name listed as the LLC Principal appears in FAA Airmen as a new Private Pilot - SEL dated 7/5/2023.
  • Lots of what appear to be training flights between Hooks and other airports starting May 12
    • https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N144BY/history/80
• New pilots are enthusiastic.  Enthusiasm sometimes clouds judgement.
  • Yesterday N144BY flew what appears to be Touch and Go's at Hooks (don't see any other T&G's at Hooks before this - may have been first time pilot tried it)
  • Yesterday was not a great day to fly. - something called a Tropical Storm in South Texas was moving in.  KDWH was just on the edge of the weather.
  • At 20:10 there was no wind and ceilings BKN 41 - maybe when he arrived at the airport.  But it changed rapidly
    • KDWH 192100Z AUTO 05009G17KT 10SM SCT043 SCT050 BKN060 30/24 A2989
      KDWH 192055Z AUTO 05009G14KT 10SM SCT041 BKN050 BKN070 30/24 A2989
      KDWH 192053Z AUTO 05014G25KT 10SM SCT041 BKN055 BKN070 29/24 A2989
          RMK AO2 RAE02 SLP120 P0000 60009 T02940244 58019
      KDWH 192050Z AUTO 05011G19KT 10SM FEW036 BKN043 BKN055 29/24 A2989
      KDWH 192045Z AUTO 05010G18KT 10SM FEW036 SCT043 BKN055 30/25 A2989
      KDWH 192040Z AUTO 04006KT 10SM FEW036 SCT043 BKN055 30/26 A2990
      KDWH 192035Z AUTO 04006KT 10SM FEW036 SCT043 BKN055 29/25 A2990
      KDWH 192030Z AUTO 05007KT 10SM SCT039 BKN060 BKN080 29/26 A2991
      KDWH 192025Z AUTO 05003KT 10SM SCT041 BKN060 BKN080 29/26 A2991
      KDWH 192020Z AUTO 04003KT 10SM SCT041 BKN055 29/26 A2991
      KDWH 192015Z AUTO 06003KT 9SM BKN041 BKN055 29/26 A2991
      KDWH 192010Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM BKN041 28/26 A2991
  • If you listen to LiveATC for Hooks while he was in the pattern you will hear the tower warning that winds were pretty steady at about 10 kn from the east gusting to over 20 kt.  The runway is 35L. 
  • It looks like winds were gusting to 25 kn as he turned base.
  • If you look at Flightaware it appears that the crosswind was blowing N144BY through the centerline of 35L.
  • The picture makes it appear that the gear are up - no big ruts plowed into the grass but I suppose that they could be sheared off out of sight.

 

 

Edited June 20 by 1980Mooney

[Mooney in Oz]

43 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

New pilots are enthusiastic.  Enthusiasm sometimes clouds judgement.

That is true.

Is it known whether there was also an instructor in the aircraft?

Good to see you back.

[PT20J]

FAA AIN https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:96:1300354096487::::P96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FATAL_FLG:20-JUN-24,MOONEY

It's classified as an INCIDENT which means no substantial damage, but that can't be right.

It also says that AIRCRAFT CONDUCTING TOUCH-AND-GOS AND VEERED OF (SIC) RUNWAY. That's not right either.

[1980Mooney]

1 hour ago, PT20J said:

FAA AIN https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:96:1300354096487::::P96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FATAL_FLG:20-JUN-24,MOONEY

It's classified as an INCIDENT which means no substantial damage, but that can't be right.

It also says that AIRCRAFT CONDUCTING TOUCH-AND-GOS AND VEERED OF (SIC) RUNWAY. That's not right either.

Since KDWH - David Wayne Hooks is towered, the control tower would have reported that to the FAA.  You are probably right on both counts but that is par for Hooks Tower.  I always thought Hooks was a Contract Tower based upon typical performance but am surprised to see that they are a FAA Tower.  It must be because of proximity to KIAH Bush.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/fct_list

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/FCT_Map.pdf

11 hours ago, bcg said:

Anyone have any details about this? I saw this picture this morning and heard the crash on a hangar surveillance video, you hear it go full throttle and then hear the crash.  Hopefully everyone made it out OK and damage is minimal.

I would be curious to know how/where you got access to the hangar surveillance at KDWH (your profile indicates you may have viewed it in Kerrville) . Is there a video feed on some airport or FBO site?  If you could "hear the crash" as opposed to a gear-up landing sliding in long grass, it must have been of substantial force - a stall in ground effect or tearing the gear off?.  Please share if able.

Edited June 21 by 1980Mooney

[EricJ]

22 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

I would be curious to know how/where you got access to the hangar surveillance at KDWH. Is there a video feed on some airport or FBO site?  If you could "hear the crash" as opposed to a gear-up landing sliding in long grass, it must have been of substantial force - a stall in ground effect or tearing the gear off?.  Please share if able.

I don't have a link, but the video has been going around on the FB Mooney pages.   It doesn't show much.

Edit:  Actually, it's on the Airplanes and Coffee group on FB.

[1980Mooney]

18 minutes ago, EricJ said:

I don't have a link, but the video has been going around on the FB Mooney pages.   It doesn't show much.

Edit:  Actually, it's on the Airplanes and Coffee group on FB.

Lots of garbage to dig through on the FB "Airplane and Coffee group" site - never found the video but saw a comment "They dragged it to the FBO on its own gear, not sure what happened?"  So it sounds like a gear up landing. - the gear came down after it was lifted....  As we know many times the "lifting" does more damage than the landing...

[Shadrach]

I wonder is he tried to reject a gear up landing after the prop made contact with the runway and lost control.

welcome back @1980Mooney

[bcg]

50 minutes ago, EricJ said:

I don't have a link, but the video has been going around on the FB Mooney pages.   It doesn't show much.

Edit:  Actually, it's on the Airplanes and Coffee group on FB.

That's the one I saw, you can hear it, nothing more.  It's VROOOMMM, crash noises.

[bcg]

12 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

Lots of garbage to dig through on the FB "Airplane and Coffee group" site - never found the video but saw a comment "They dragged it to the FBO on its own gear, not sure what happened?"  So it sounds like a gear up landing. - the gear came down after it was lifted....  As we know many times the "lifting" does more damage than the landing...

Search KDWH in the group and it's the first post, or was for me.  There are a lot of comments in it but, the video was pretty close to the top.  I can't get a link for it or I'd share.

[McMooney]

pfft no one dead, bird not badly beat up, could be worse.

[Echo]

On 6/20/2024 at 8:25 AM, bcg said:

Anyone have any details about this? I saw this picture this morning and heard the crash on a hangar surveillance video, you hear it go full throttle and then hear the crash.  Hopefully everyone made it out OK and damage is minimal.

Hearting a Mooney on it's belly with a bent prop is weird to me.  Anyway...

[Echo]

23 hours ago, McMooney said:

pfft no one dead, bird not badly beat up, could be worse.

Pfft?  So if no one is dead and it's only a new prop, belly panels, gear?, Flap Hinges? it's no biggie? MMMMmmmmkay.

 

Yes, it could be a LOT worse.  Agree 100% with that.

[Echo]

Sorry, I forgot tear down.  Easily $20-30k.

[Echo]

1980.  Yes, an enthusiastic WELCOM BACK!

[jetdriven]

9 hours ago, McMooney said:

SURE, HE COULD BE FUCKING DEAD, OR LANDED ON SOMEONES HOUSE OMG he became an insurance statistic,

Do you have to yell, wtf is wrong with you. And try to type legible sentences also.  It hurts to read shitposts like this