donkaye Posted July 11, 2022 Report Posted July 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, M20F said: What do you gain from the 750 that the 500/650/iPad doesn’t provide? For one thing, the Garmin audio panel, GMA 35c with Telligence. Yes, you can get by with the G500 TXi, GTN 650, and iPad, but I don't like the iPad mini due to character size and screen brightness, and the larger iPad is too bulky for me to put on the yoke. The screen size of the GTN 650 is too small for me to use the display much. I use it mostly for its default page with its 6 data fields. That's just my preference. Some could be satisfied with the above, but not me. 1 Quote
Pinecone Posted July 11, 2022 Author Report Posted July 11, 2022 2 hours ago, donkaye said: As of today, I wouldn't change a thing. It seems a post got lost. NICE panel. I would love to have that setup. Maybe eventually. A couple of questions. Why the JPI versus Garmin EIS? Why G500TXI versus the G3X? Quote
M20F Posted July 11, 2022 Report Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Pinecone said: Why the JPI versus Garmin EIS? EI MVP-50 not JPI and because it is the best. 1 Quote
donkaye Posted July 11, 2022 Report Posted July 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Pinecone said: It seems a post got lost. NICE panel. I would love to have that setup. Maybe eventually. A couple of questions. Why the JPI versus Garmin EIS? Why G500TXI versus the G3X? I was responding to a post above about my panel. The first answer to the 2 questions are that neither was available at the time I upgraded my panel. However, I have since flown with students who have the Garmin EIS and I find the characters too small for my preference. I don't want to think about character size every time I try to read something. It also takes up screen real estate. I like the 60/40 setup on the G500 TXi for the PFD/MFD and the ability to change it to 40/60 during cruise. That allows for a magnificent flight plan page on the TXi that gives an unbelievable amount of information, much more than even the GTN 750Xi has. With the EIS that wouldn't be possible. The EI MVP-50 that I have (not the JPI 930) in my opinion is the best separate engine monitor out there with multiple pages of good information. WRT the G500 vs the G3X both are good, but the TXi is newer, brighter, has some additional functionality, and supports more external sources. As I said, I wouldn't change a thing that I have right now. Quote
KLudwick Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/10/2022 at 12:23 PM, JohnZ said: Is the gear unsafe light illuminated? It is - it's since been fixed, as it was an electrical issue and not a gear issue. Quote
M20F Posted July 12, 2022 Report Posted July 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, KLudwick said: It is - it's since been fixed, as it was an electrical issue and not a gear issue. Don’t feel bad I am surprised I didn’t catch shit on the image I posted yesterday :-) Quote
Pinecone Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Posted July 17, 2022 I think I have decided on a plan. For now. Currently there is a GTN650 (not Xi), GTX-345, Aspen 1000, G5, King Nav/Com, KAP-150 w/ KAS 297B (alt hold/preselect), JPI EDM-700, Stormscope, ADF. I have a nice offer to buy a GTN750 (not Xi) and GMA-35R. So thinking, step one is to add the GTN750 to the existing 650 and get rid of the King Nav/Com and ADF. This gives me a large nav screen. Install the GMA-35R or a PS Engineering audio panel The next step, in the future, is to put in G3X with EIS and GFC-500. This will allow me to sell the Aspen and KAP-150. Then later, upgrade the 750 and 650 to Xi. Gets me where I want, in stages so not such a huge bill at once. Thoughts? Quote
David Lloyd Posted July 17, 2022 Report Posted July 17, 2022 Don't spend money to put something in that you're already planning to replace. 1 Quote
Pinecone Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Posted July 17, 2022 Agreed. Nothing I plan on putting in would be replaced. 750/650 to Xi is an upgrade of the box, not a replacement. https://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/gtn750-to-750xi-upgrade https://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/gtn650-to-650xi-upgrade Like the 430/530 non-WAAS to Waas. Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 17, 2022 Report Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Pinecone said: Agreed. Nothing I plan on putting in would be replaced. 750/650 to Xi is an upgrade of the box, not a replacement. https://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/gtn750-to-750xi-upgrade https://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/gtn650-to-650xi-upgrade Like the 430/530 non-WAAS to Waas. No, read the fine print* in the links you posted, the 750Xi (or 650Xi) replaces the box **GTN 750 trade-in must be in good working and cosmetic condition, subject to evaluation. Advertised pricing is for black faceplate units only. Core charge of $1,350 will apply until trade-in is confirmed on bench to meet manufacturer's specifications. Don't waste labor dollars by putting in a 750 and then later spend more labor dollars to have another shop pull that and install the Xi and then spend time reconfiguring. Spend some time flying the airplane and then buy the newest, most capable at the time. You'll keep it longer and save money in the long run. 2 Quote
Pinecone Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Posted July 17, 2022 OK, I misunderstood the upgrade. So it is worth the extra for the Xi? Quote
donkaye Posted July 17, 2022 Report Posted July 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pinecone said: OK, I misunderstood the upgrade. So it is worth the extra for the Xi? Having done the upgrade, in a word, YES. Much more capability and adaptability for future upgrades, like the recent upgrade to include Smart Glide. Quote
FlyingScot Posted July 17, 2022 Report Posted July 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Pinecone said: OK, I misunderstood the upgrade. So it is worth the extra for the Xi? It absolutely is. I have also done the upgrade and was (very pleasantly) surprised at the difference. Not just an upgrade, really, a different unit. 1 Quote
Pinecone Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Posted July 18, 2022 Thanks. So Step 1 looks like installed GTN-750Xi, some audio panel. And probably upgrade JPI 700 to 730 or 830. Quote
jetdriven Posted July 18, 2022 Report Posted July 18, 2022 22 hours ago, donkaye said: Having done the upgrade, in a word, YES. Much more capability and adaptability for future upgrades, like the recent upgrade to include Smart Glide. You have to have the GFC500 and 275s or better to have the smart glide. 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 20, 2022 Report Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 8:17 AM, jetdriven said: You have to have the GFC500 and 275s or better to have the smart glide. G5s also work https://www.garmin.com/en-US/aviation/smartglidecompatibility/ 1 Quote
ZuluZulu Posted July 22, 2022 Report Posted July 22, 2022 In hindsight you might wish you had waited, saved up, and done everything all at once. Piecemeal gets expensive and this is complex work. 2 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 23, 2022 Report Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 10:12 PM, Pinecone said: Thanks. So Step 1 looks like installed GTN-750Xi, some audio panel. And probably upgrade JPI 700 to 730 or 830. Everyone is telling you on here and Beechtalk just to fly it awhile, save up and do it all at once, but it sounds like you made up your mind awhile back and want validation for your decision. 2 Quote
Pinecone Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Posted July 23, 2022 It is too much fun to plan and decide what to do. If nothing else, it will be a while before anything is done due to lead times for units and shop time. Quote
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