RobertGary1 Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 I’m hearing this more and more. Am I getting old thinking this is wrong? Was there a decision make that it’s now “aircrafts”? Quote
MooneyMitch Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 Did I mess up my spelling again ? 1 Quote
201er Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said: I’m hearing this more and more. Am I getting old thinking this is wrong? Was there a decision make that it’s now “aircrafts”? Like fishes or peoples? 2 Quote
carusoam Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 Unmanned flight became pilot free flight… because pilot less flight couldn’t work… Drones sounded mindless…. Maldoers… So they are now known as uncrewed drones…. Go Amazon! Aviation’s fixing English one word at a time…. Whoever thinks this is a good idea… hasn’t read Orwell’s 1984… -a- 1 Quote
PT20J Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 It's the way people talk now: "These ones are aircrafts." 2 1 Quote
T. Peterson Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, carusoam said: Unmanned flight became pilot free flight… because pilot less flight couldn’t work… Drones sounded mindless…. Maldoers… So they are now known as uncrewed drones…. Go Amazon! Aviation’s fixing English one word at a time…. Whoever thinks this is a good idea… hasn’t read Orwell’s 1984… -a- Thumbs up Mr. -a-!! 1 Quote
carusoam Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 Language used to be so regional… Best regards, -a- Quote
rbp Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 so the difference between plural nouns like fish/fishes and people/peoples is quite clear. the singular means a whole bunch of those things ("i saw 5 fish") and the plural refers to a bunch of different kinds of those things ("fishes with dorsal fins") 1 Quote
MikeOH Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 My mistake, I thought I was in an AVIATION forum, not a GRAMMAR one! 1 Quote
Fly Boomer Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 11 hours ago, PT20J said: It's the way people talk now: "These ones are aircrafts." How about forms of the verb "to be". It offends my ear to hear phrases like "There is airplanes at that museum". To me, "There are airplanes at that museum" sounds better. "Are" is a plural form of the verb "to be", and airplanes is a plural noun. But every day of life I hear phrases like "There's airplanes at that museum". What's happening to the English language? 1 1 Quote
Mcstealth Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, MikeOH said: My mistake, I thought I was in an AVIATION forum, not a GRAMMAR one! Their, they're, there, ya go. 2 2 Quote
carusoam Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 Homonyms are tough to get write… Homonyms are tough to get, right? -a- 6 Quote
0TreeLemur Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 Languages change over the course of a human lifetime if you live long enough. I too have seen "aircrafts" more and more. The first usage I saw started in the writings of non-native English speakers a decades years ago. It seems that this usage is creeping into the common vernacular. The younger generation of writers are taking over. Can't say that I blame non-native speakers for thinking aircraft=singular, aircrafts=plural. That's normally how we do it. From that perspective it might be thought of as a simplification by abandonment of an archaic usage. English is complicated. As @carusoam says, homonyms are one of the tricky bits. Bill Bryson in his great book "The Story of English- our Mother Tongue and How It Got That Way" has a great quote on this that I just love: "Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana." English spelling is atrocious. Too bad Daniel Webster's attempt to simplify spelling failed. Spoken English is even worse because we have no hard rules regarding pronunciation of vowels, resulting in strong regional/national accents. On the plus side, we don't rely on gender nearly as much as many other European language, which greatly simplifies things. Exceptions exist. We don't have a good non-gendered plural impersonal pronoun other than "people", "folks" "you all", or "y'all". Disclaimer, in my day job I write for a living, including trying to improve the writing of others. 1 3 1 Quote
T. Peterson Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, carusoam said: Homonyms are tough to get write… Homonyms are tough to get, right? -a- You guys are a hoot!! 2 Quote
Mcstealth Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 4 hours ago, 0TreeLemur said: Disclaimer, in my day job I write for a living, including trying to improve the writing of others. Okay folks. 1000 words to Mr Lemur by Monday 8am. Topic? The benefit or horrors of running LOP. 1 Quote
0TreeLemur Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Mcstealth said: Okay folks. 1000 words to Mr Lemur by Monday 8am. Topic? The benefit or horrors of running LOP. Puhleez. No! Quote
Hank Posted May 1, 2022 Report Posted May 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Mcstealth said: Okay folks. 1000 words to Mr Lemur by Monday 8am. Topic? The benefit or horrors of running LOP. As a C owner, the Lemur would be a poor judge of LOP practices. 3 hours ago, 0TreeLemur said: Puhleez. No! As a C owner, it's difficult to run LOP, so I cannot submit my homework. I can sometimes run up to 20-25° LOP, but boy does it cost speed! 1 Quote
carusoam Posted May 1, 2022 Report Posted May 1, 2022 I submitted my paper earlier this evening…. Summary… Regarding the M20K’s engine…. Using my M20C background… for simplification… The M20K adds a lot of complexity… There aren’t many Mooneys that can operate in flaming dragon mode at altitude like an M20K… ROP, and LOP…! Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
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