Corona Virus Carrier

[MooneyMitch]

And, saddest of all........ looks as though I will be banned from Dodgers/Giants game March 27.....

[Hank]

2 minutes ago, MooneyMitch said:

And, saddest of all........ looks as though I will be banned from Dodgers/Giants game March 27.....

ALL SEC athletic events, including the ongoing basketball Conference Championships, are being played without fans in attendance, for at least the next two weeks.

Wonder if the NCAA and NIS Invitational will also ban spectators???

[MooneyMitch]

To give this thread some aviation related validity, I do sometimes fly little mini-Mooney to SoCal for Dodger games. 

[MooneyMitch]

One of my neighbors is quarantined due recently flying ( another aviation related reference  ) back home from 4 days in Italy.   

[Immelman]

17 hours ago, aviatoreb said:

We would be in a world of hurt if a rushed and unsafe vaccine made for its own and massive public health emergency.

I have childhood memories of my father's cousin, who went around on crutches, because he was vaccinated against polio... which failed.

 

 

[MooneyMitch]

3 hours ago, Immelman said:

I have childhood memories of my father's cousin, who went around on crutches, because he was vaccinated against polio... which failed.

 

 

I do recall from my childhood, how frightening polio was .

 

[Shadrach]

13 hours ago, bradp said:

Italy has a more efficient healthcare delivery, higher numbers of hospital and ICU beds per capita, healthier baseline population statistics, better outcomes, plus all the wiz bang technology of our healthcare system.  If the virus takes off here in in a similar way it will be like 1918 as our healthcare capacity is overwhelmed. The Italian death rate is approaching 7% in a thoroughly modern healthcare setting. 
 

 

Interesting.  I am the second generation born in this county the rest of my Family on my Dad's side resides throughout Northern Italy.  Collectively, over the last few decades I have spent nearly a year of my life in Italy.  I love Italy.  However, I have never found that Italy's strength was in efficiency. Beauty yes, craftsmanship, yes, efficiency...not so much.  Healthcare has come a long way since the 90's.  One of my buddies needed a root canal while we were in the Emiglia Romana region and the dentist was smoking in the same room where the procedure was performed.   Things a much better now compared to when I first started traveling there but are you suggesting that Italy is better equipped to handle this than the rest of the west?  Or by efficient do you mean Italy has the ability to move large numbers of patients into palliative care without the burden of treating those individuals who statistically have high mortality rates?   

Edited March 12, 2020 by Shadrach

[MooneyMitch]

Just now, Hyett6420 said:

So we have a tv programme over here called the last leg.  Political satire and humour.  So on friday they were discussing Corona and “self isolating”. It went something like this....

So this self isolating thing is BRILLIANT, at the weekend, you can go out Firday, Saturday, Sunday, get absolutely shit faced drunk and phone up your boss on Monday, “sorry boss, cant come in Im self Isolating”..

another guy chips in

Yep and all those hormonal randy  teenage boys in their bedrooms, “dad no you cant come in. I’m self Isolating”, well it at least gives them an excuse as to why they are using so much Tissue.

and so on.   Very funny.

Leave it to the Brits for whacky humor !! 

[BKlott]

6 hours ago, MooneyMitch said:

I do recall from my childhood, how frightening polio was .

 

I saw an Iron Lung machine parked in the hallway while I was a kid hospitalized for surgery. That thing scared me to death!

Also remember everyone getting the vaccine on a sugar cube at our Elementary School.

[chrisk]

10 hours ago, Hank said:

ALL SEC athletic events, including the ongoing basketball Conference Championships, are being played without fans in attendance, for at least the next two weeks.

Wonder if the NCAA and NIS Invitational will also ban spectators???

Maybe it means fewer sporting event TFRs.   --Just to look at the bright side and keep it aviation related.

[tigers2007]

Schools closed in Michigan until at least 6-April. The toilet paper thing is getting out of hand. I get made fun of by almost everyone for buying the magnum sized family packs of TP and Towels all the time and seems like I’ll have the last laugh.

India has what? 1.5 Billion? Did they get any cases? The mass hysteria in the developed world is getting ridiculous.

 

[bradp]

On 3/12/2020 at 2:40 PM, Shadrach said:

Interesting.  I am the second generation born in this county the rest of my Family on my Dad's side resides throughout Northern Italy.  Collectively, over the last few decades I have spent nearly a year of my life in Italy.  I love Italy.  However, I have never found that Italy's strength was in efficiency. Beauty yes, craftsmanship, yes, efficiency...not so much.  Healthcare has come a long way since the 90's.  One of my buddies needed a root canal while we were in the Emiglia Romana region and the dentist was smoking in the same room where the procedure was performed.   Things a much better now compared to when I first started traveling there but are you suggesting that Italy is better equipped to handle this than the rest of the west?  Or by efficient do you mean Italy has the ability to move large numbers of patients into palliative care without the burden of treating those individuals who statistically have high mortality rates?   

Efficient means it’s a national (regional it seems) healthcare system with single payor that spends slightly less than median GDP among developed nations.  WHO ranks it #2 health system in the world.  Better outcomes than we have.  They should have been able to deal with this had not the hospitals become overwhelmed. Just like us. 
 

Here’s an actual verified medical professional (Intensivist) In Seattle. 
 

* we have 21 pts and 11 deaths since 2/28. 

* we are seeing pts who are young (20s), fit, no comorbidities, critically ill. It does happen. 

* US has been past containment since January

* Currently, all of ICU is for critically ill COVIDs, all of floor medsurg for stable COVIDs and EOL care, half of PCU, half of ER. New resp-sx pts Pulmonary Clinic offshoot is open
 

* CDC is no longer imposing home quarantine on providers who were wearing only droplet iso PPE when intubating, suctioning, bronching, and in one case doing bloody neurosurgery. Expect when it comes to your place you may initially have staff home-quarantined. Plan for this NOW. Consider wearing airborne iso PPE for aerosol-generating procedures in ANY pt in whom you suspect COVID, just to prevent the mass quarantines.
 

* we ran out of N95s (thanks, Costco hoarders) and are bleaching and re-using PAPRs, which is not the manufacturer's recommendation. Not surprised on N95s as we use mostly CAPRs anyway, but still.
 

*terminal cleans (inc UV light) for ER COVID rooms are taking forever, Enviro Services is overwhelmed. Bad as pts are stuck coughing in the waiting room. Rec planning now for Enviro upstaffing, or having a plan for sick pts to wait in their cars (that is not legal here, sadly).
 

* CLINICAL INFO based on our cases and info from CDC conf call today with other COVID providers in US:
 

* the Chinese data on 80% mildly ill, 14% hospital-ill, 6-8% critically ill are generally on the mark. Data very skewed by late and very limited testing, and the number of our elderly pts going to comfort care. 
 

- being young & healthy (zero medical problems) does not rule out becoming vented or dead - probably the time course to developing significant lower resp sx is about a week or longer 

[N9201A]

Ichy Ichy Kapang Kapang please.

....Zooowombeee!!

[donkaye]

Posted on the Facebook CFI group:

[N201MKTurbo]

So, everybody at work got the flu from hell about 6 weeks ago, including me and the wife. We have people who travel to China. I wonder if it was COVID-19 and we just didn't know it?

[ragedracer1977]

35 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

So, everybody at work got the flu from hell about 6 weeks ago, including me and the wife. We have people who travel to China. I wonder if it was COVID-19 and we just didn't know it?

Same thing at my shop.  I think a lot of folks already had it.  We all would have said it was the flu, except we had dry coughs and no stomach issues 

[N9201A]

So, everybody at work got the flu from hell about 6 weeks ago, including me and the wife. We have people who travel to China. I wonder if it was COVID-19 and we just didn't know it?

If the facts I heard are right, S Korea has 1/6 of our population and has tested 25x the people we have.

I’ve not heard anyone authoritative on what percentage of the population already had the virus and didn’t know it. Is the “flattening the curve” strategy needed if some portion of the curve is behind us?

[MooneyMitch]

All seriousness aside........................

[JohnB]

Ok Ill weigh in since there's so much fear surrounding this topic.

The current Corona virus  (COVID -19) is a cold virus. It is one of many Corona viruses that can result in colds and illnesses, many of these Corona viruses you have already been exposed to and have some immunity to. Since this strain is one our bodies haven't seen yet, we don't yet have an immunity to it. Having said that, the media and some organizations are suggesting that progressive isolation, interacting with fewer and fewer people is the only way to help prevent you from getting the virus as I see media are promoting and entities cancelling gatherings of fewer and fewer numbers of people as time goes by. While isolation is important, it will not stop the spread but will slow down the spread, perhaps until the summer comes (which colds have much less potency in).  I think there are other ways that can help immensely. Having said that,

• One of the best things I think that one can do right now is to stay warm, eat right, take your vitamins, and do everything that you can to keep your own immunity up. The same things you have been doing for years to help prevent you from catching a cold, can help keep you from getting dreadfully sick from this cold virus if you do get exposed. (Yes Corona virus is another cold virus, you have already been exposed to several other Corona viruses in your lifetime and you may or may not have had colds from them)
• Good handwashing techniques always helpful.
• If you get a cold, don't rush to the ER to see if it's Corona virus. Get over your cold, if you're dreadfully sick, absolutely go. If you do have to be around people and you have any kind of cold, wear a mask and keep your hands clean.
• If you do happen to get this Corona virus and a cold due to it, once you're fully over the infection, you'll have immunity from it and won't pass it to others, or be able to get sick from re exposure to this Corona virus strain.
• Avoiding crowds will help slow the spread of the virus, particularly if you have a cold, but unfortunately will not completely stop the spread of the virus as some people with good immunity may have the virus and pass it on without them even knowing that they have any kind of illness whatsoever. (Like people less than 10 years old, or people with very healthy immune systems)

Toilet paper or hoarding wont work for any of this.

As an aside,  I think we are very fortunate that we can fly our Mooneys as not only flying it reduces your personal exposure compared to commercial air, but there have been 7 hour waits to check in for the enhanced Corona virus screening now in place at some airports, and that's in the light of much less people travelling by commercial air. 

Quite a time we are living in.

 

 

[tmo]

FWIW, an increasing number of us on this side of the Atlantic cannot fly our Mooneys for the time being, outside of the pattern / ATZ anyway...  Due to these extenuating circumstances I did fly a club C152 the other day, that was before we were told we can't.

[Hank]

26 minutes ago, tmo said:

FWIW, an increasing number of us on this side of the Atlantic cannot fly our Mooneys for the time being, outside of the pattern / ATZ anyway...  Due to these extenuating circumstances I did fly a club C152 the other day, that was before we were told we can't.

What is the thinking behind banning private flight? It keeps yiu iff of crowded commmercial flights, away from crowded commercial airports, train stations, bus depots, etc. Unless theynare banning all travel?

[Ibra]

52 minutes ago, Hank said:

What is the thinking behind banning private flight? It keeps yiu iff of crowded commmercial flights, away from crowded commercial airports, train stations, bus depots, etc. Unless theynare banning all travel?

I think it is more reducing internal travels but also school teaching and club gatherings...

I am in the wrong side of the channel now, in Paris, I understand club flying & instruction is halted at my Aeroclub west of Paris starting late yesterday, something I fully understand given current COVID19 concerns and the fact that the average age at the aeroclub clubhouse is 60 years (although GA has small risk as outside activity less chance of people flying while sick and less contact with others apart from those inside cockpits and clubhouses)

So far nothing preventing private owners/flyers from flying apart from being able to go in/out of big cities (e.g. Paris/Toulouse), this is getting more and more restricted and will get locked soon, but obviously no one will stop a pilot going for his "pharmacy flying-in" but I think self discipline should prevail, there are already few Notams on ATC staffing that will impacts IFR... 

Edited March 16, 2020 by Ibra

[tmo]

TBH, I haven't looked around for a justification, but if I run across one I can update.  I believe the ban is for VFR "bimbles" and travel that is legitimately needed can be made without much issues (see below).

For me, for now, things are mostly "business as usual" but everyone is working from home.  Schools closed, special reduction in work time for parents of kids under 8, any gathering of more than 50 people banned (no exceptions, and they do mean it), cinema/theater/opera/pubs/restaurants/water parks/etc closed.  Great weather, sunny, lots of people in actual parks, but everyone is keeping their distance.  Stores still open, but non-essential (grocery) parts of large malls expected to be shut down.

But yes, non-essential travel is discouraged, borders (which are geographically more equivalent to borders between individual states like MI and OH, not countries) are closely monitored (they are usually open, like between MI and OH, at least within what is called the Schengen Area) and people are being quarantined if they wish to enter (which makes any attempt at crossing the border pointless anyway).

Each country is acting somewhat differently, but it is more "lockdown" than "free for all".

People in the service industry (hotels, restaurants, pubs, leisure travel, etc) are getting hit the most - home without pay, or with severely reduced pay, etc, even airline folk are saying they are putting in significantly less hours.  No reductions in workforce yet, but if their workload is reduced by 50%, they feel the writing is on the wall.

[Guest]

On 3/10/2020 at 4:43 PM, Gagarin said:

Phone book directories, Sears catalog, newspaper and others are an alternative. I installed a bidet adapter to my toilet for no paper cleaning.

Does it squirt WD40?  

Clarence

[Guest]

On 3/12/2020 at 9:10 AM, chrisk said:

 

Here is the problem, and the reason not to take a chill pill.  The rate of infection is not saturated.  It's growing rapidly.  You can see it is not under control in Italy.  Their health care system is already taxed to the limit and will only be taxed more in the days to come as the number of folks with active infections increases.   For me, caution (not panic) is in order.   It seems wise to slightly modify my behavior to avoid large crowds and public/mass transportation.    That said, I really don't understand the run on toilet paper.  Maybe its a millennials idea of a critical survival item.    --An item that didn't exist 200 years ago.

Toilet paper, an interesting history.

https://youtu.be/IVTRpTHPs3o

Clarence