smwash02 Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 Flying back from Brenham, touched down smoothly then nearly lost control as the wheel was shaking so hard when it popped. It wanted to head left so I gave it right brake and right rudder and shutdown the engine. Tried using a caster on the wheel to bring it in, but it wouldn't have it. Slowly towed it off without and put it in a corner of the ramp. Will put a new tire and tube on it next week. New tire/tubes from 4/14 and 200 hours ago. Frustrating. Quote
Guest Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 No gear collapse, no prop strike, a flat tire is a minor inconvenience. Clarence Quote
smwash02 Posted June 18, 2016 Author Report Posted June 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, M20Doc said: No gear collapse, no prop strike, a flat tire is a minor inconvenience. Clarence Add being back at home base to the pluses. Planning on a 3000NM round trip flight next month, would've been a bit more inconvenient, but still minor all things considered I agree. 1 Quote
Godfather Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 Also had this happen at home base and got thinking how bad this would be landing on a out island during vacation. I now carry a spare tube on flights like that... 1 Quote
gsxrpilot Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 I've had it happen twice. Both times away from home. Both times I was back up and ready to go with in an hour or so. It's amazing how helpful folks in aviation can be. 1 Quote
DonMuncy Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 This is the second time I have seen a tire deflate on landing in the last couple of years. What are the most common reasons (guesses) for the deflations. 1 Quote
BruceLee Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 29 minutes ago, DonMuncy said: This is the second time I have seen a tire deflate on landing in the last couple of years. What are the most common reasons (guesses) for the deflations. From experimental aircraft.info; "When replacing tubes make sure to use talcum powder as it makes sure the tube slides in easily with out any folds that might rupture someday. Also do inspect the wheel on the inside for any burrs as they will cause a flat tube eventually." 1 Quote
rbridges Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 1 hour ago, smwash02 said: Add being back at home base to the pluses. Planning on a 3000NM round trip flight next month, would've been a bit more inconvenient, but still minor all things considered I agree. yeah that sucks but could have been a thousand times worse. looks like it couldn't have happened at a better time or place. tire looks good, obviously something bad with the tube. 1 Quote
FoxMike Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 The mostly likely reason for the failure is a manufacturing defect. Back a few years ago I recollect a lot of this was happening. Was the tube manufactured in 2014 or was it laying in stock for a while. I think it was Goodyear that had a problem with manufacturing the tubes properly. Glad there was no damage to the airframe. 1 Quote
Hoeschen Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 This is the second time I have seen a tire deflate on landing in the last couple of years. What are the most common reasons (guesses) for the deflations. Improper inflation, causing the tire and tube to rotate about the wheel, shearing off the stem or pinching and tearing the tube elsewhere. Proper inflation and talcum powder between the tube and tire are good suggestions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote
smwash02 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Posted June 19, 2016 Aviation folks are great. I had plenty of assistance getting it moved off. I elected not to change the tire even though I had a spare. I'll head out this week to repair it when I have new tire and tube in hand. I'd rather not do the work twice. Tire and tube were 2014 and replaced in 2014. I use copious amounts of talc. Combination was (from Desser) Aero Classic Butyl (GL-5067) and Condor 4 Ply (072-308-0). The stem sat differently than the previous that had a bit of a bend in it that made it sit with less pressure on it. I imagine it was a defect or this stressed position that caused it to fail like this. I have the 3 piece wheels if that matters. It is possible that it was pinched, but I doubt it. Quote
smwash02 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Posted June 19, 2016 Just now, Hoeschen said: Improper inflation, causing the tire and tube to rotate about the wheel, shearing off the stem or pinching and tearing the tube elsewhere. Proper inflation and talcum powder between the tube and tire are good suggestions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Can you elaborate? I talc well and partially inflate to get everything aligned well before fully inflating. I've flown 800+ hours behind tires / tubes I've replaced myself and this is the first I've had fail. I'm of the 'if you replace the tire you replace to tube' camp for reasons exactly like this. $60 isn't worth the headache to me. Quote
Hoeschen Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Just now, Hoeschen said: Improper inflation, causing the tire and tube to rotate about the wheel, shearing off the stem or pinching and tearing the tube elsewhere. Proper inflation and talcum powder between the tube and tire are good suggestions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Can you elaborate? I talc well and partially inflate to get everything aligned well before fully inflating. I've flown 800+ hours behind tires / tubes I've replaced myself and this is the first I've had fail. I'm of the 'if you replace the tire you replace to tube' camp for reasons exactly like this. $60 isn't worth the headache to me. Well could just be bad luck and defect. There can't be too much sofistication here. Then again, maybe it didn't go flat, maybe the other two just swelled up on you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote
Cruiser Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 my recent nose wheel flat was caused by a small, tiny piece of grit trapped between the tube and the sidewall of the tire. It was flat on landing Seems the grit (under pressure) vibrated a pinhole in the tube. Make sure your talc powder is free of grit........... 1 Quote
smwash02 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Posted June 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, Hoeschen said: Well could just be bad luck and defect. There can't be too much sofistication here. Then again, maybe it didn't go flat, maybe the other two just swelled up on you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think you're on to something. 15 minutes ago, Cruiser said: my recent nose wheel flat was caused by a small, tiny piece of grit trapped between the tube and the sidewall of the tire. It was flat on landing Seems the grit (under pressure) vibrated a pinhole in the tube. Make sure your talc powder is free of grit........... Good information. I'll keep an eye on this, thank you. Quote
Yetti Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Do a postmortem. know where the stem is in relation to the tire when you take it apart. mark it or something. air up the tube. where it is leaking check the tire. Quote
cnoe Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Tire and tube were 2014 and replaced in 2014. I use copious amounts of talc. Combination was (from Desser) Aero Classic Butyl (GL-5067) and Condor 4 Ply (072-308-0). There's your problem! Desser's tubes are total crap. Been there done that, and there's plenty of evidence to support my harsh opinion; just do a MS search. Proper inflation, proper installation, and talc make no difference. Buy a Michelin Airstop tube and save yourself lots of grief. Just sayin'... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
Bob Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 1 hour ago, cnoe said: There's your problem! Desser's tubes are total crap. Been there done that, and there's plenty of evidence to support my harsh opinion; just do a MS search. Proper inflation, proper installation, and talc make no difference. Buy a Michelin Airstop tube and save yourself lots of grief. Just sayin'... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Well, that's interesting about the Desser tubes. I had a nose wheel go flat after landing and about 300 ft from my hangar not too long ago. The Desser tube was about 1.5-2 years old. I did replace with the airstop tube. Something just felt wrong to go with Desser again. I think I now may know the cause of my flat? In my case I sent my copilot/friend to fetch the tug, then I grabbed my ha held and talked to ground. 5 total minutes we were back in the hangar. A flat at home field always works well! Quote
M20FTraveler Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 On 6/18/2016 at 5:20 PM, smwash02 said: Add being back at home base to the pluses. Planning on a 3000NM round trip flight next month, would've been a bit more inconvenient, but still minor all things considered I agree. I thought we were taking my F. Quote
Godfather Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 11 hours ago, cnoe said: There's your problem! Desser's tubes are total crap. Been there done that, and there's plenty of evidence to support my harsh opinion; just do a MS search. Proper inflation, proper installation, and talc make no difference. Buy a Michelin Airstop tube and save yourself lots of grief. Just sayin'. Wow, also had a desser tube purchased in 2014 fail in just over a year. Never a problem in the previous 12 years... Quote
jetdriven Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 Desser tubes are complete garbage. I bought two new ones for the mains, along with the tires. One didn't last overnight, it was leaking all the way around where the valve stem is glued to the tube. The other lasted a year, and failed in the middle of a day trip. The rubber simply rotted enough where it was leaking in a straight line for about 4". I folded it up and put it in my hangar, it's completely disintegrated now. Quote
steingar Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 At least the OP got to fly. I was set up to fly out and see my brother and his family when the aircraft failed a mag check. Probably fouled plug, but couldn't chase it off running lean. No flying for me and gotta call the mechanic. Quote
Marauder Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 At least the OP got to fly. I was set up to fly out and see my brother and his family when the aircraft failed a mag check. Probably fouled plug, but couldn't chase it off running lean. No flying for me and gotta call the mechanic. Must be some gremlins floating around. I was at our airport yesterday and a couple of transient planes had issues. One guy's battery was too weak to turn the prop and another had a fouled plug that couldn't be clear. I also read on our site 201er is dealing with an issue as well. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
Andy95W Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 I got to the airport yesterday day to go fly and found this: 2 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 I got to the airport yesterday day to go fly and found this: Boy your hangar elves are out of control Quote
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