Headliner Replacement

[Marauder]

4 hours ago, Marauder said: Lee -- like what you have done! So much, that I have arranged a work visa for you here in the U.S. to do mine!

Keep posting those pictures

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I don't think you could afford the amount of beer (Canadian Beer not that American swill)  it takes to install.  Glue a piece...drink a beer, glue a piece...drink a beer, drink a beer, wait ..what was I doing???????

I grew up in Buffalo. Whatcha want? Molsen (extra stock), Labatts, you call it. Of course we could always stop over to the local Genesee factory and pick up a case of Genesee Cream Ale.

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[C-GHIJ]

20 hours ago, Marauder said:

I grew up in Buffalo. Whatcha want? Molsen (extra stock), Labatts, you call it. Of course we could always stop over to the local Genesee factory and pick up a case of Genesee Cream Ale.

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I actually drink Bud  LOL

[C-GHIJ]

Finally made some more progress on the interior.  Headliner and carpet are in and starting on the interior panels.

[carusoam]

Not going to add a hat rack?

parts may be available from Alan's latest E-quisiton....

Best regards,

-a-

[StinkBug]

On 2/21/2016 at 6:57 PM, carusoam said:

Not going to add a hat rack?

parts may be available from Alan's latest E-quisiton....

Best regards,

-a-

Is this something that can even be done? On my C (without hat rack) the bulkhead appears to be a solid aluminum sheet all the way up. To add the hat rack would require some cutting. I just assumed that would be a no-go legality wise.

[DXB]

Per logs the hat rack in my '68C was added in 1974. 

[carusoam]

Check with your mechanic.  Parts are probably interchangeable between Cs.  There is some structure around the opening of the hat rack.

best regards,

-a-

[StinkBug]

I've looked pretty closely at mine, and unless there's something I missed the only way to add the hat rack requires a saw, and the removal of a piece of aluminum the size of the hat rack opening. I'd really like to see the wording of that log book entry DXB, since yours is the same year and model as mine.

[carusoam]

Dallas, have you looked from the radio rack side?

If it's aluminum, it won't take much more than a mechanic with a pair of scissors to cut.

The O doesn't use a piece of aluminum there either... (That I can tell)

compare this to the complexity of adding a ski tube.

Best regards,

-a-

[DXB]

3 hours ago, StinkBug said:

I've looked pretty closely at mine, and unless there's something I missed the only way to add the hat rack requires a saw, and the removal of a piece of aluminum the size of the hat rack opening. I'd really like to see the wording of that log book entry DXB, since yours is the same year and model as mine.

Here it is.  Not much info.  No STC or 337.  Doesn't seem worth the trouble to me. I guess the original owner really wanted a place to put his hat  .   I do Iike it for storing my bulky but light canopy cover. 

[HRM]

2 hours ago, DXB said:

Here it is.  Not much info.  No STC or 337.  Doesn't seem worth the trouble to me. I guess the original owner really wanted a place to put his hat  .   I do Iike it for storing my bulky but light canopy cover. 

Frankly, I really like having the hatrack, which is really my first-aid kit, "N5976Q" monogrammed blanket, MAPA cap and other (light) what-not storage area.

The PO had a 12 VDC tap installed that routes through the MS, I added the utility socket--great for the Icy-Breeze.

It was a beyotch to redo when I did the interior.

 

[C-GHIJ]

Ya, I thought of adding the hat rack.  Airplane plastics has it, but boy is it expensive from them.  I tried Alan to see if he had any of the interior plastic in good shape but no luck, so I decided to just make new interior panels for now.  Have less than $100 in materials for the interior panels.

[StinkBug]

Interesting. From the wording there it sounds like they did some cutting and such. I just figured that cutting a giant hole through an aluminum panel in an aluminum plane would qualify as a bit more than a "minor modification". As for the utility of having it there, try putting a pair of skis or a snowboard in your C without it. I do it in mine, but they have to run diagonally and it eliminates the entire back seat. Letting the tips poke into that space would be the difference between 2 seats and 3 for day trips to the slopes for me.

[carusoam]

Stuff that is on my hat shelf:

Plane cover, fuel cup, and other things that you want to be able to find after the cargo has been loaded.  Usually soft stuff so it doesn't hit anyone in the back of the head... Nice place for the tow bar, but too hard if you get hit by it...

If it is a structural piece of aluminum, it will be thick and bolted or riveted in place.  It is in the area where the tube structure ends and the tail cone begins.  That is why you have a mechanic help do this kind of work.  If it is an interior mod, it's like changing out the interior side walls.

Best regards,

-a-

[StinkBug]

It appeared to be riveted in place. Not sure on thickness though. I checked from the back side and there is some insulation board covering it up, but it looked pretty solidly attached. Not like the plastic panel screwed to the front side of it.

[HRM]

47 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Stuff that is on my hat shelf:

Plane cover, fuel cup, and other things that you want to be able to find after the cargo has been loaded.  Usually soft stuff so it doesn't hit anyone in the back of the head... Nice place for the tow bar, but too hard if you get hit by it...

Anthony, here's a good place for the bar...

[Hank]

My towbar lives on the baggage floor, or wedged between the baggage and the back seat. That way I can get it out easily after I land. The cover in its bag lives on a shelf in the hangar; when I need it, the bag goes on top of everything else in the baggage area, helping to hold it all in place.

The hat rack is where my aluminum travel chocks live, along with fuel cup, dip stick, first aid kit, tie downs and ropes live, along with a fold up umbrella, extra hats, windshield rags, spare headsets, etc. I do try to hold down on clutter and reproduction on the shelf, though.   Every now and then it gets a good cleaning out, and not everything goes back in.

All in all, it's a handy spot! Now that I use Halos instead of headclamps, though, I find I have plenty of room to wear most any hat I want, short of Hoss's 10-gallon hat. Passengers complain when I wear a sombrero, though.

[Wildhorsesracing]

Has anyone ever replaced their headliner with one that is like current automotive ones?  ie. foam baked fabric glued up to the ceiling?

[Bob_Belville]

6 hours ago, Wildhorsesracing said:

Has anyone ever replaced their headliner with one that is like current automotive ones?  ie. foam baked fabric glued up to the ceiling?

That's what I did. Automotive headliner passes flame spread spec easily. Check out my gallery for pics. 

[C-GHIJ]

She's finally back flyable.  The interior panels came out not bad at all.   All in the panels cost about $150 and lots of sweat.  It sure makes the old girl look a lot better than she did.  Still have some trim pieces to paint, but at least it can be flown now.

I have to give a big THANK YOU to Clarence for all his assistance and allowing me to work in his nice warm shop instead of my cold hanger.  I don't know many AME's that would let a customer do that.....Thank you.

Next we'll start the panel......stay posted.

[Ned Gravel]

You were parked in the million dollar corner!!!!  Been there.  Done that.  Good job on the work.  

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Ned Gravel said:

You were parked in the million dollar corner!!!!  Been there.  Done that.  Good job on the work.  

Ned,

With the current exchange rate I may have to adjust the value of the corner.

Clarence

[Supercop0184]

On 1/28/2016 at 5:27 PM, C-GHIJ said:

Finally got my headliner and carpet kit for my 61 M20C.   Has anyone had experience with replacing there headliner?  Advice is always welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Lee

Ok. I’m trying to tackle this project now - I’m missing a few of the backings for the screws that hold the metal bows into the fuselage. The piece of fabric we got way oversized - of course to allow for error - would you lay it out - lay the old one on top, trace and cut before putting it in? Or would you just try to put the new one in whole - and the cut to fit?

 

 

this is the most daunting portion of the process for sure. Thanks for the help. 

[Prior owner]

I hung my headliner as delivered on the bows, then trimmed it a little at a time as I pulled it and glued it down. Surely there are other ways, but I felt that this method would keep me from accidentally trimming off too much. I don’t think that the replacement headliner is sewn identically to the one that you will be replacing... the hanging rod loops on my replacement seemed deeper and the seams weren’t exactly in the same places. That was my experience, but I’m no pro installer.

[Supercop0184]

14 minutes ago, PilotCoyote said:

I hung my headliner as delivered on the bows, then trimmed it a little at a time as I pulled it and glued it down. Surely there are other ways, but I felt that this method would keep me from accidentally trimming off too much. I don’t think that the replacement headliner is sewn identically to the one that you will be replacing... the hanging rod loops on my replacement seemed deeper and the seams weren’t exactly in the same places. That was my experience, but I’m no pro installer.

Did you find that your bows attached to the side using small screws and these little backings? I cannot find these backings and am missing several.