Wing Damaged by Shop

[hnorber]

Unfortunately, I've been told that Williams Airmotive doesn't work on Mooney wings (seems that they don't have the space to work on the 'single wing' construct.

[Guest]

If Williams is unable to replace the skins, ask them for a recommendation for someone who would.  My shop is also a MSC and it it not a job I would consider.  

Lots of people will in this business have wonderful "sunshine pumps" and will be happy to fill you full, find someone honest who knows their limits and you should get a great repair.

Clarence

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, hnorber said:

Unfortunately, I've been told that Williams Airmotive doesn't work on Mooney wings (seems that they don't have the space to work on the 'single wing' construct.

You might look into Deason Aircraft in Kansas, they've done some really nice work on Piper Comanche sheet metal.

Clarence

[thinwing]

Use your insurance,yes it's a claim but after they subrogate to the shop owner or his insurance ,they are made whole .Read your policy now...mine has provisions for temporary replacement aircraft .Make no statements to shop or their insurance stating you will waiver subrogation in their favor.Depending on how busy everybody is your Mooney could be layed up for months..thus go get checked out in a loaner and tell the aircraft rental people you would like a short term lease...While doing this ,let insurance (yours) hire a pilot to fly your faa ferry permitted to shop that can start within weeks not months.Be nice but firm with shop who's Tug caused the damage...remember ,shops insurance represents them not you..good luck..

 

 

 

 

 

[Parker_Woodruff]

28 minutes ago, M20Doc said:

You might look into Deason Aircraft in Kansas, they've done some really nice work on Piper Comanche sheet metal.

Clarence

If he's going all the way to Kansas, he might as well keep going to Longview, TX.

[BobAustin]

Re; Post by Parker

I had exactly the same panel damaged by while taxiing.  Hit a guy rope on a deer trap pulling post to wing and tearing a  2 in vertical tear in the leading edge. Covered the tear with cardboard and white duct tape :-)) and flew Austin to Kerrville with no problem.  Had Steve from Mooney inspect for structural damage...found none.   Dugosh replaced panel with new one  from Mooney.

Cost as follows:

22000-227 wing skin  $792

Other parts                   400

Labor 65 hrs @ 110/hr = 7150

So total about 8K + paint

Flew to good paint shop... no bill for paint yet

 

 

[cliffy]

I was going to suggest Dugosh as I saw them replacing a rear spar cap a year ago on an F model and what a job it was. The wing was removed and on a dolly. The guy doing it seemed to really know what he was doing. 

[Seth]

It's a long distance, but the guys at AirMods (MSC) in NJ do this type of work all the time and have a paint shop on the field.  I was there checking them out with a friend and saw a new Accliam that is having it's wing replaced after a mishap on a snowy runway last winter.  I'm sure they would love do the work and will easily ferry the aircraft for you.  The Acclaim they are planning to fly to MN to have the wing sealed by Paul Beck at Weep No More.

http://www.airmodsflightcenter.com/modifications-and-repair/main

 

Also, the guys are Freeway (MSC) in MD replaced the outer 2/3 of an ovation wing a few years ago.  Great quality work there as well.  They may not have the manpower right now to ferry an aircraft, but they can get that setup.  They do excellent work - It's where I annual my Mooney.

http://www.freewayaviation.com/maryland-aircraft-maintenance.html

 

I've seen more in depth wing repairs at both of these shops first hand which is why I'm recommending them.

 

-Seth

[Ned Gravel]

Re; Post by Parker

I had exactly the same panel damaged by while taxiing.  Hit a guy rope on a deer trap pulling post to wing and tearing a  2 in vertical tear in the leading edge. Covered the tear with cardboard and white duct tape :-)) and flew Austin to Kerrville with no problem.  Had Steve from Mooney inspect for structural damage...found none.   Dugosh replaced panel with new one  from Mooney.

Cost as follows:

22000-227 wing skin  $792

Other parts                   400

Labor 65 hrs @ 110/hr = 7150

So total about 8K + paint

Flew to good paint shop... no bill for paint yet

 

 

Clarence replaced my port outboard panel for somewhat less, so price sounds about right, but it was one panel only and one of the easiest to replace.

Ned Gravel

Lucky steward of C-FSWR, a '65 E model at Rockcliffe, Ontario, (CYRO)

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[M016576]

On December 8, 2015 at 11:23 AM, hnorber said:

Thanks, everyone for these responses.  It looks like there's a consensus on re-skin. I'm going to talk to my insurance carrier again today.  If the plane is deemed airworthy to move to a certified repair center - wonder whether the insurance (shop's or mine) will pay for it to be professionally flown (I don't think I'd be comfortable flying it with those dents!)

 

I've ferried a mooney with a similar dent.  I wouldn't be too concerned about the flight characteristics- you probably won't even notice a difference in feel.  Just don't go practicing your stall recoveries- keep it on the fast side.  If you're not comfortable getting a ferry pilot is prudent- should be the insurance money anyway.  You will need a FAA ferry permit, which means a FSDO inspector will come take a look at your plane.  Might want to just verify that all the appropriate items are on display in the aircraft in case he/she peeks in the window (airworthiness certificate, POH, etc).  Just thinking out loud.

[hnorber]

Thanks.  All this information is very helpful. I plan to call Dugosh and Airmods today.

 

 

[N601RX]

Here is another possible option that has not been mentioned.  The dent you have is very close if not in the exact location as the factory wing mounted landing light in the newer models.  Instead of repairing the plane it may be possible to just modify and upgrade to a wing mounted light using the factory parts and reinforcements that support the cutout.  That way no damage history, just a log entry and a 337 stating that the landing light was added.  There are a few older planes that have this modification.  I think I have a copy of the paperwork from one of them.  Perhaps you can find a picture online and determine if the light would cover the damage area. 

[hnorber]

Thanks for the idea - but I actually already have the landing and taxi lights in each wing - they're farther outboard from where the large dent is located.

 

[LANCECASPER]

How about a second set of landing and taxi lights in that wing?  Sorry just kidding. I'm sure it will all be repaired just like new when it's all said and done.

[Guest]

On December 8, 2015 at 10:20 AM, hnorber said:

A shop that was doing some work on my M20J damaged the wing while it was in their custody.  Apparently a tug slipped on some ice and hit the wing (I'm assuming the tug wasn't pulling my plane a the time).  I've attached pictures below.  The shop owner is proposing to pound out the dents (they're pretty substantial - and I have no idea whether there's any damage to ribs) and use filler for the fix.  I'm trying to get a sense of whether this is an appropriate and reasonable method for fixing dents of this size, as opposed to an entire re-skin (which I'm told would be more than 250 hours of work, since 3 skins would need to come off).  I'm looking for any opinions or thoughts to help guide me in directing this shop in how to proceed.  

 

Thanks in advance!  

-Howard

 

Just looking at the pictures again, be sure that who ever does the repair check the stall vane for damage.

Clarence

[hnorber]

Yup - stall vane is certainly on the list of stuff to check.

Thanks.

[M20F-1968]

Call Beegles Aircraft in Greeley, CO.  They are 1 hour NW of Denver.  They have been in business for some 60 years and do nothing but structural work.  There work is excellent.  They have one guy there with a great deal of patience and a good eye.  If I were to have anyone do the work it would be Beegles.

I would not under any circumstances allow the sho that did the work to try to fix the damage.  

John Breda

[M20F-1968]

Call Beegles Aircraft in Greeley, CO.  They are 1 hour NW of Denver.  They have been in business for some 60 years and do nothing but structural work.  There work is excellent.  They have one guy there with a great deal of patience and a good eye.  If I were to have anyone do the work it would be Beegles.

I would not under any circumstances allow the shop that did the work to try to fix the damage.  

Or, this may be you opportunity to get your insurance company to pay for TKS.  The cost of replacing the wing skins would be about the same.  

Beegles has the patience and experience to possibly straighten the skin.  I would be concerned about work hardening and cracking given the sharp corners of the dent.  If not, they certainly could change the skins.  Everything would be jigged beforehand.

John Breda

 

[TomHuff]

Howard, sorry you are having to live this nightmare...

I had two wing dent events last year - one FBO fueling ding that was cold worked and the other, a buzzard strike that required wing skin replacement (in work now). In both cases, I consulted with Mooney engineering and complied with their recommendations. My local mechanic is an exceptional metalsmith - some just really like that kind of work and are good at it! Prior to the holidays, Mooney was kind enough to bend a new skin and thank goodness they are back up and operational. My mech shored the airplane out of abundance of caution to make sure there was no adverse twist potential. I lucked out, there was very minimal damage to the stringer and bull-nose rib behind the leading edge dent but that should be carefully evaluated. My insurance experience has been positive as well, the ferry permit process was not unduly cumbersome. I'd be happy to provide further details and recommend the mechanic doing my wing..Feel free to contact at email: f18huffer@gmail.com.

Tom

[DAVIDWH]

And I was complaining when a small ding on left front fender of a BMW 740IL was $17,000.

(Wife maneuvering though Walmart parking lot)

[AllanPedrosa]

Mooney Acclaim01.jpg

 

 

Edited April 3, 2016 by AllanPedrosa
Mooney Acclaim01.jpg

[Seth]

1 hour ago, AllanPedrosa said:

Is that an Acclaim?

[AllanPedrosa]

Yes, it is Mooney Acclaim, not the Type S, 2007.

[Yetti]

Those are fun pics.  I see an OSHA violation on that extension cord

[FlyWalt]

On 12/9/2015 at 4:40 PM, M20Doc said:

Lots of people will in this business have wonderful "sunshine pumps" and will be happy to fill you full, 

Clarence

I was rereading this thread and came upon this bit of wisdom. I almost fell over that I laughed so hard. This is the best, Clarence!!!!