Do I need to glue the carpet

[Houman]

Wondering if one really needs to glue the carpet. I'm redoing the interior and removed the old carpet, not much of it was glued, maybe the fact that it was 30 years old and the glue was dried.

If so, what kind of glue, do I need to buy it from Airtextinterior where I bought the carpet ?

[orionflt]

I would not glue the carpet in place, if anything use some self sticking velcro to keep it from sliding too much.

I installed mine over 8 yrs ago and the only issue I have had is a bit of sliding but it hasn't bothered me enough to add the velcro, I will for my next carpet.

 

Brian

[Houman]

Never mind, Airtextinterior told me to get 3M Neoprene Adhesive 1300 for the job... Sorry for the noise, I tought I needed something aviation grade...

[Houman]

I would not glue the carpet in place, if anything use some self sticking velcro to keep it from sliding too much.

I installed mine over 8 yrs ago and the only issue I have had is a bit of sliding but it hasn't bothered me enough to add the velcro, I will for my next carpet.

 

Brian

Yeah I guess that would be even better... Thanks for the suggestion

[Andy95W]

Use the 3M 1300 to glue the velcro in place on both the carpet and the floor. Same stuff in a small tube is available in auto stores as 3M Weatherstrip adhesive. Good cleaning of the area is key, I recommend lacquer thinner.

[Jim Peace]

Use the 3M 1300 to glue the velcro in place on both the carpet and the floor. Same stuff in a small tube is available in auto stores as 3M Weatherstrip adhesive. Good cleaning of the area is key, I recommend lacquer thinner.

Is the adhesive backing on industrial velcro not good enough?

 

I asked my installer to use velcro in certain spots and of course he did not......going to be a DIYS job......

[Yooper Rocketman]

Houman,

 

I had the same question just a couple weeks ago and took the advice of another member, installed the carpet under the side panels and it worked out great.  My old carpet was installed with Velcro, with the lower sections glued to the floor with weatherstrip adhesive.  When flying high and fast, the carpeting always curled up on the outer edges.  The install under the side panels worked out good, and will not move with wind or air pushing up under it.  On the center carpet, I installed the Emergency Gear Extension plastic cover over the "top" of the carpet, rather than cut the carpet around it.  This holds the center section down nice.  I installed two sided carpet tape on the front edge to keep the heater/vent air from peeling it back.

 

 

[Houman]

Houman,

 

I had the same question just a couple weeks ago and took the advice of another member, installed the carpet under the side panels and it worked out great.  My old carpet was installed with Velcro, with the lower sections glued to the floor with weatherstrip adhesive.  When flying high and fast, the carpeting always curled up on the outer edges.  The install under the side panels worked out good, and will not move with wind or air pushing up under it.  On the center carpet, I installed the Emergency Gear Extension plastic cover over the "top" of the carpet, rather than cut the carpet around it.  This holds the center section down nice.  I installed two sided carpet tape on the front edge to keep the heater/vent air from peeling it back.

Thanks, I'm installing the spatial interior so no more carpet on the side walls, carpet just on the floors. I like the idea of having it hold in place with the sidewall panels.

Thanks for the advice.

[Jim Peace]

Houman,

I installed the Emergency Gear Extension plastic cover over the "top" of the carpet, rather than cut the carpet around it.  This holds the center section down nice. 

My carpet was installed the same way around the fuel selector.  I just took this picture today....

[Houman]

My carpet was installed the same way around the fuel selector.  I just took this picture today....

Wow, that is a beautiful cheery red color... it must be real eye catcher

[N201MKTurbo]

I have found that nothing more than the fuel selector is required for the pilot side. The passenger side will get pushed foreward by the passenger's feet, so I put two screws in the rear of the right side carpet and that keeps it in place and is easy to remove.

When the carpets get dirty I like to take them out and wash them. I even dyed them once, it did amazing things. You can't do that if they are glued down. Think about a passenger barfing all over your plane.

[Andy95W]

My carpet was installed the same way around the fuel selector.  I just took this picture today....

Jim- looks good! Is that an Airtex carpet set?

The "industrial" adhesive on velcro that I've seen always seems kind of gooey. I think it will probably hold the carpet down okay until you try to take it out. The velcro may be stronger than the gooey glue. The 3M weatherstrip adhesive will definitely work.

Good luck and have fun with your bird.

[Bob_Belville]

I used Industrial Strength Velcro. 2" wide strips. Overkill solution is 2 18" strips between seat rails and two more in front of rudder pedals. It's been 3 years, I've had the right side out several times at annual and to clean thoroughly and I really like the heavy Velcro. (Back seat passengers tend to push on carpets.)

 

http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Brand-Industrial-Strength-Inches/dp/B00006IC2T

[PTK]

I wouldn't glue the carpet.

 

One observation about carpet I made when I redid my interior, is if the carpet is precisely cut to fit it will not move. No glue or velcro or screws (!!) needed.

 

It looks professional and will not move.

 

The precut carpets available from Airtex and such are cut to have more play.

 

I used the old (original) carpet as templates and I can confirm it had as much as one inch play all around. That's a lot of play and it was not glued.

[1964-M20E]

My carpet is held down with a few screws and finishing washers.  Easily removed and replaced and stays put with no sticky mess.

[Houman]

John, I kind of like the idea, but where do you screw the carpet in, on the corners, are you making sure nothing is under it to cause a problem ???

[1964-M20E]

Yes you need to make sure you are not touching anything below.  The carpet was already installed this way when I purchased the plane and I did it this way on my previous plane.  If I remember correctly there are two screws on each side near the main spar two screws under each of the seats.  I find the tendency is for the carpet to want to push forward in the plane so these prevent that from happening.  The biggest challenge is finding the hole when putting the carpet back.

[Houman]

Ok, I think I like the Velcro idea better, just the thought of putting a screw somewhere and not being sure if anything else is touched is a bit concerning....

 

I will do look for the screw placements, maybe it is easier than I imagine.

[Bob_Belville]

You'll be happy with the Velcro.

[cujet]

I've worked corporate jet interiors for well over 20 years. It's one of my specialties. 

 

Please don't glue your carpet down. And, please use 3M 1357 glue instead of 1300L to hold the Velcro in place. There are valid reasons for this. 

 

I purchase one roll each, of 2 inch, NON SELF STICK, Velcro (actual brand name, not imitation) hook and loop. I cut the Velcro to size, and avoid affixing it over access panels and seams. Saves much trouble later on. 

 

I apply 3M 1357 glue on the velcro, and on surface it attaches to. Such as carpet or floor board. I tape off the area where the Velcro will attach, keeps the glue line neat. I also cut the corners off of the Velcro, as this keeps it from peeling up. 

 

 

1357 is a contact adhesive, so it's much easier to work with than 1300L. You simply brush on a liberal coat to the Velcro, and Surface, let it dry a few minutes (time depends on temperature) and press it into place. No mess, and it's the strongest bond possible. 

 

If you need a less strong bond, such as with cloth and foam applied to a panel, simply brush lightly or spray. Works the same way, as a contact adhesive and works very well. 

 

1357 is impervious to heat, so it's perfect for gluing leather to a glareshield. 

 

This carpet is held in place with just 3 strips of Velcro. One in front, one under the scuff pad, and one in the rear. Works perfectly and very easy to remove the carpet for cleaning. 

 

 

[Hank]

Thanks! Nothing quite like free professional advice. I'll remember this, I'm not sure how my carpet is installed.

[carusoam]

My old C...

Airtex...

Used new screws in the old holes...

It worked.

-a-

[orionflt]

screws do work but I like velcro better, easier to deal with when doing inspections

 

Brian

[Houman]

Thanks Cujet, I will try to get my hand on 1357, from my calls to 3M and some distributors, it's not easy to find. I was thinking of going self adhesive Velcro, but I think it would not be strong enough to stick. I would rather glue the Velcro to the floor and back side of the carpet and then it would be as you say, an easily removable, but permanent solution.

 

One thing that makes my job easier is that there will no longer be any carpet on the sidewalls, only on the floor...

 

Thanks !

[Bob_Belville]

Thanks Cujet, I will try to get my hand on 1357, from my calls to 3M and some distributors, it's not easy to find. I was thinking of going self adhesive Velcro, but I think it would not be strong enough to stick. I would rather glue the Velcro to the floor and back side of the carpet and then it would be as you say, an easily removable, but permanent solution.

 

One thing that makes my job easier is that there will no longer be any carpet on the sidewalls, only on the floor...

 

Thanks !

While I'm sure the stronger adhesive is great, the self adhere version I linked above is more than adequate to the job. Even if a corner starts to come off the back on the carpet while removing it is no big deal. You're unlikely to be removing the carpet more than once or twice a year so absolute perfection is not essential.