NO flying through the Bravo when on an IFR flight plan??

[midlifeflyer]

15 hours ago, hubcap said:

The date was 6/28 late in the AM or early in the PM local time.

That's a lot of time to wade through with an unknown tail number. It would be interesting to hear, but not interesting to search for  

[midlifeflyer]

 

12 hours ago, cliffy said:

Don't all or at least most Class Bs have VFR transit route right through the B area

No. Some have published corridors, others don't. IFR routing and VFR access is related - the location of airline approach and departure corridors - although some airspace tends to have a friendlier reputation than others. 

For example, compare Atlanta with Denver. I have not flown there but with the east/west runway configuration, I would expect friendly Atlanta controllers to send both IFR and VFR light traffic going north and south right over the center. OTOH, Denver has east west and north south runway, all of which are in use at any given time, so they simple have less options (although there's a nice cutout from the Class B on the west side along I-25 which is extensively used VFR). 

[Hank]

1 hour ago, midlifeflyer said:

For example, compare Atlanta with Denver. I have not flown there but with the east/west runway configuration, I would expect friendly Atlanta controllers to send both IFR and VFR light traffic going north and south right over the center. 

You'd think, but in > 10 years, I've never experienced it. I've even asked. Never been inside ATL Bravo . . . .

[neilpilot]

2 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

That's a lot of time to wade through with an unknown tail number. It would be interesting to hear, but not interesting to search for  

Hey Mark, what makes you think it isn't Hubcap's N#, N526E?  

[midlifeflyer]

10 minutes ago, neilpilot said:

Hey Mark, what makes you think it isn't Hubcap's N3, N526E?  

Good point.

[whiskytango]

In the DC area you can easily transit or takeoff / land in the SFRA on an IFR flight plan, but will routinely be told to remain outside of Bravo.  Considering the SFRA clearance hassle (particularly Entry / Exit Gates) you are avoiding, it is no big deal to remain outside of Bravo airspace when transiting or taking off / landing in the SFRA on an IFR flight plan.  Potomac Approach is an excellent TRACON.

[GeeBee]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

You'd think, but in > 10 years, I've never experienced it. I've even asked. Never been inside ATL Bravo . . . .

With ATL, they use the "4 corners" arrival method. That is you arrive at a point either NW, NE, SW, or SE of the airport. From there you either do a 45 to downwind or you do a 45 to final. The downwind traffic is what precludes a N-S run directly overhead. Also the south complex traffic is always lower than the north complex so if they overshoot the final, they don't meet up.

[cliffy]

4 hours ago, GeeBee said:

With ATL, they use the "4 corners" arrival method. That is you arrive at a point either NW, NE, SW, or SE of the airport. From there you either do a 45 to downwind or you do a 45 to final. The downwind traffic is what precludes a N-S run directly overhead. Also the south complex traffic is always lower than the north complex so if they overshoot the final, they don't meet up.

Ya I use to do a 10,000' downwind into ATL in the 727

[RobertGary1]

It’s pretty common. Try filing San Diego to northern cal. Your ifr clearance will take you 30 miles east of the lax class B. It’s all workload stuff. Faster to go VFR and pick up ifr north of lax. 

[hubcap]

On 7/8/2021 at 10:27 AM, GeeBee said:

Some TRACON's are better than others. CLT is hard over on no transient traffic through their Class B to the point of endangering aircraft during weather deviations. ATL is much better. DCA (Potomac) seems pretty good as does DTW. 

The thing about ATC facilities I notice is they tend to have a "DNA" that makes them the same year over year. Some are very accommodating and service oriented, others seem to hate their customers. The best, ATL, the worst IMHO is Indianapolis. I feel sorry for the people fresh out of the academy who get sent to Indianapolis. 

I would definitely agree about CLT................I have never filed a route through their Bravo but I have been near it and was given vectors to take me further away from it. 

[GeeBee]

On 7/9/2021 at 10:06 PM, cliffy said:

Ya I use to do a 10,000' downwind into ATL in the 727

Then at mid-field, you're given 5000 for the north or 3500 for the south. So it is unlikely they are going to clear you through. straight over N-S