ArtVandelay Posted January 26, 2020 Report Posted January 26, 2020 This is the factory installed clock in our 97 J. Clock only displays hour and minutes. Timer mode displays seconds. Is this not IFR legal? When you select start/stop, does that not display in seconds?Tom Quote
amillet Posted January 26, 2020 Report Posted January 26, 2020 I know it does if in timer mode. I’ll have to try it in clock mode Quote
amillet Posted January 26, 2020 Report Posted January 26, 2020 From the POH: 8. CLOCK. (Mechanical Clock -Optional) The electric, digital, panel mounted clock, may be Used/set by the following procedures:. Three buttons are located below the digital face of tKe clock and identified as START/STOP. CLEAR 6 MODE. Normal or Elapsed time. MODE - Push to switch from normal time to elapsed time. STARTISTOP - Push to start or stop seconds when in elapsed time mode. CLEAR - Push to reset elapsed time to Zero. Set Hours, Minutas or 24 vs 12 hourtime Push and Hold CLEAR buttons for 4-5 seconds to enter clock mode; 12 H or 24 H will Flash. Push both START/STOP button to select either 12 or 24 hour mode. Push CLEAR to select hours (hours flashing/minutes steady) or minutes (hour steady/minutes flashing) for setting. Push START/STOP to increase either hours or minutes until desired time is set. In 12 H mode set PM (P) if necessary. Push MODE to return to normal time ISSUED 1 - 96 7-5 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted January 26, 2020 Report Posted January 26, 2020 I know it does if in timer mode. I’ll have to try it in clock mode I think you only need seconds for timing functions, all reporting times required only hour and/or minutes.Tom Quote
carusoam Posted January 26, 2020 Report Posted January 26, 2020 Timing an approach... Probably the most important thing that clock can do... That LB clock should be able to handle it... The other multifunction devices... the clock and timer are on different pages than their other primary functions... In some cases... there are apps that work better for timing things... but the panel or yoke mounted clock is always there to do that one important thing... visibly display time and/or timer... Best regards, -a- Quote
GeeBee Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 Here is the definitive word https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/data/interps/2016/nkugba - (2016) legal interpretation.pdf Quote
warren.huisman Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 I have a Garmin GTX 345 Transponder with a built in timer. Does this count? Quote
amillet Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 ... a clock displaying hours, minutes, and seconds with a sweep-second pointer or digital presentation." It isn’t clear if all three have to be displayed at the same time Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 Instead of trying to get around the regulation, Maybe someone could petition the FAA to change the regulation. It is clearly obsolete. Nothing in attached document above leads me to believe the FAA folks don’t think the regulation is unneeded. Their job is to get everybody to comply with the regulations. So change the regulations. Quote
PT20J Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, N201MKTurbo said: Instead of trying to get around the regulation, Maybe someone could petition the FAA to change the regulation. It is clearly obsolete. Nothing in attached document above leads me to believe the FAA folks don’t think the regulation is unneeded. Their job is to get everybody to comply with the regulations. So change the regulations. I recall that way back around 1990 Hal Shevers (Sportys founder for those that don’t know) petitioned the FAA to allow the substitution of a backup attitude indicator for a T&B/turn coordinator. How many years did that take? Skip Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, PT20J said: I recall that way back around 1990 Hal Shevers (Sportys founder for those that don’t know) petitioned the FAA to allow the substitution of a backup attitude indicator for a T&B/turn coordinator. How many years did that take? Skip Sure, but I’m sure there is a procedure for it. Wouldn’t hurt to fill out the forms and send them in and see what happens. Quote
PT20J Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: Sure, but I’m sure there is a procedure for it. Wouldn’t hurt to fill out the forms and send them in and see what happens. Go for it. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 Oh, I don’t care, I love my clock, I think it’s cool. Quote
gsxrpilot Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, GeeBee said: Here is the definitive word https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/data/interps/2016/nkugba - (2016) legal interpretation.pdf The only thing definitive here is "no wrist watch". There are still a number of questions that are unanswered. So I'm not asking the question. My Mooney, with an IFD540, has a clock. As far as I'm concerned, case closed. 2 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, PT20J said: I recall that way back around 1990 Hal Shevers (Sportys founder for those that don’t know) petitioned the FAA to allow the substitution of a backup attitude indicator for a T&B/turn coordinator. How many years did that take? Skip 13 years, it was 2003 https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC91-75.pdf 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, gsxrpilot said: The only thing definitive here is "no wrist watch". There are still a number of questions that are unanswered. So I'm not asking the question. My Mooney, with an IFD540, has a clock. As far as I'm concerned, case closed. Data blocks on the Avidyne IFDs are awesome!! 2 Quote
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