The J roll

[Fookz92]

No, I am not talking about sushi here.

My instructor tells me the J can do a barrel roll effortlessly. What is the best way to accomplish this?

My instructor says it will be started with nose high attitude. Who can attest to this?

[gacoon]

What does your POH say about this maneuver?

[N6758N]

Make sure you pitch down to build up speed to VNE before attempting! Last time I tried it I was too slow and wound up in an inverted flat spin...not fun. Don't forget to use the rudder either!

[N201MKTurbo]

The hangar faries tell me it can be done. 

Just make sure you have enough altitude for a split S.

[N201MKTurbo]

26 minutes ago, gacoon said:

What does your POH say about this maneuver?

It says you should fly straight and level and marvel at what a great plane it is.

[N201MKTurbo]

 

[N201MKTurbo]

 

Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.

There would be very few accidents if the elementary rules of flying were rigidly observed and stupid risks avoided. The road hog, with whom we are all so familiar nowadays, has his counterpart in the air, so cultivate the sane mind in the sound and healthy body.

Edited March 24, 2018 by N201MKTurbo

[mooneyspeed]

But at the very least make sure you Facebook live the attempt. The more angles the better.


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[N201MKTurbo]

If you are intent on rolling your Mooney, go get some real aerobatic training with a real aerobatic instructor in a real aerobatic airplane. 

Doing your first roll solo in your Mooney is STUPID! 

 

Stupid

 

P. S. Don't be stupid.

[Immelman]

IF you're asking how to do this on mooneyspace... trust me, you should not be doing so.

Agree with 201 turbo above - go get some real aerobatics instruction in an appropriate airplane and experienced aerobatics instructor (i.e. not a CFI who figured out how to survive an aileron roll on his own and challenges you to roll your J). It is very worthwhile training!!! Being comfortable with the nose pointed where ever, and seeing that the wing flies based on angle of attack and airspeed (and not attitude) is very empowering. Getting a sense for that could save your bacon some day by - get this - unloading the wing and reducing AoA, when your instinct today might say otherwise. This is very empowering and my save your butt some day if you're turned upside down in a mountain wave rotor, wake turbulence, etc.

BTW, my favorite of all the basic positive G stuff I learned many years was the Immelman, hence my board nickname. No, I do not do them in the Mooney!

Edited March 24, 2018 by Immelman

[Mooney in Oz]

"A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill"

Frank F. Borman, retired NASA astronaut and former Commander of Apollo 8 spacecraft.

[jasona900]

1 hour ago, N201MKTurbo said:

P. S. Don't be stupid.

Excellent advice!  Applicable to many things in flying, and life in general.

[MB65E]

I would reconsider the local talent and then take an aerobatic course. 

It’s not about justifying things, any airplane will roll. We don’t need to prove it. Grab Soucy and Charlie Hillard even had a nice two ship Mooney team for a few years in the 80’s. . 

Do yourself a favor and keep it upright. 

I have always been amazed at what people do half way thru aerobatic menauvers. Most always never have enough pitch, dish the roll and always pull when inverted. Any one  combination of the three will kill you. 

-Matt 

[Guest]

Perhaps we need a new list on the forum, Mooney registrations and serial numbers to avoid.  We have the first nominee at the start of this thread.

Clarence

[ArtVandelay]

Perhaps we need a new list on the forum, Mooney registrations and serial numbers to avoid.  We have the first nominee at the start of this thread.
Clarence

Maybe the 2nd, I put the OP of the mile high club thread #1.

MS is starting to become more like POA every day.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, teejayevans said:

Maybe the 2nd, I put the OP of the mile high club thread #1.

MS is starting to become more like POA every day.

The MHC won’t over stress the airframe if his efforts are unsuccessful, and the interior can be cleaned, aerobatics in an unapproved airframe by an untrained pilot is a different matter.

Clarence

[Fookz92]

Gentleman,

This was a mere attempt to see who has attempted or accomplished such a task. I have near 100 hours worth of aerobatics logged in Pitts and Cristian Eagles. NO WAY would I do even the simplest 1G roll in a Mooney.  

The advice and inspirational quotes are very welcomed nonetheless. 

[steingar]

I have no doubt a Mooney is more than capable of a 1G maneuver. I have strong doubts that someone not well versed in the art of aerobatics could keep the maneuver to 1G.

[M016576]

Dumb to even try:  So much risk to accept when it’s so easy to just go fly an aerobatic airplane legally and safely.

things you don’t have in a Mooney: inverted flight tanks, inverted baffles in the oil system, a parachute, an easy way out of the airplane...

that said- a barrel roll should be a positive G maneuver.  And a normal category airplane is good up to 3.8G’s by certification standards.

[Bartman]

 

[Bartman]

Just for Giggles I Googled it...

[EricJ]

Are there differences in the limitations sections for J models?   In the comments for the vid above somebody claims the limitations in their POH indicates aerobatics are prohibited.   In mine (POH 1220 for an early J model), it just says, "Aerobatic maneuvers, including spins, are not approved."   Is there a difference between "prohibited" and "not approved"?

 

[xcrmckenna]

Gentleman,
This was a mere attempt to see who has attempted or accomplished such a task. I have near 100 hours worth of aerobatics logged in Pitts and Cristian Eagles. NO WAY would I do even the simplest 1G roll in a Mooney.  
The advice and inspirational quotes are very welcomed nonetheless. 

I’m glad you have no desire to do them in your Mooney. Is your up and flying yet?


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[Wistarmo]

In 1993, when I was looking to purchase a new M20J, the Mooney salesman rolled us in a demo MSE. 

[Fookz92]

On 3/24/2018 at 9:24 PM, xcrmckenna said:

I’m glad you have no desire to do them in your Mooney. Is your up and flying yet?


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Getting ever so close now. Prop is at East Coast Propellers getting a overhaul. Once returned and reinstalled, all thats left is the annual. 

I Ran it up and down the runway last week a bunch of times to get the new brakes broke in. It ran smooth.

Should be complete and airworthy by the time I get back from Sun n Fun.  Looking forward to meeting some of ya here around Delaware. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Fookz92