How does Foreflight define the route when filed?

[RobertE]

I plan everything in Foreflight but then call Leidos to file because I like to hear "the computer accepted it".  But maybe it's time I put on the big boy pants and just hit "file flight plan" in Foreflight.

What gives me pause is my lack of understanding about exactly what FF communicates to the FAA.  Specifically,  how exactly does FF define the route to ATC?  What shows in my FF are all the waypoints that define the route, even if those points simply define an airway.  Does all of that go to the FAA or is FF smart enough to know it's an airway and succinctly communicate the airway?  And if it isn't that smart are the FAA computers smart enough to translate it back into the airways?  Maybe another way for me to ask the question is to know how Clearance Delivery will describe my "as filed" route.  When I pick up my clearance will they spew all of the waypoints back to me or just say "fly V... as filed"?  Thanks.

[mooneyspeed]

Are you filing the way-points individually in  your route or are you specifying an airway?  When you pick up a clearance it will typically be  Cleared to the "destination" airport via "departure" ( if applicable), as filed/flight plan route, any other altitudes/headings as initially needed.   If they have to change your route for ATC requirement then you'll more then likely be giving a readback as per the ammended route.

[Danb]

I've been filling ff for a while, after defining your route and all the items needed to file, get your briefing, quite long.

Then file, foreflight give you a msg file accepted, a little later you get email confirmation it was filed, I file the night before, then you receive your expected route, if there are changes in briefings you'll get emailed them. Works like a charm to date I've had no issues or errors by ff.

 

good luck 

[Bob_Belville]

I use Garmin Pilot to plan and to file (through Leidos) but I suspect FF will be very similar. This came acknowledgement was emailed to me shortly after I filed it.I'm not positive that this plan included airway segments but I think airways are converted to waypoints.

We have successfully filed your flight plan departing from DLL and arriving at KIOB with the scheduled departure time of 09:00 (CDT) on Saturday, Jul 29, 2017 and an estimated enroute time of 03:09.  Submission response: Your flight plan has been successfully filed with Leidos Flight Services FORM TYPE 7. AIRCRAFT IDENTIFICATION 8. FLIGHT RULES TYPE OF FLIGHT ICAO N943RW IFR G 9. NUMBER (AIRCRAFT) TYPE OF AIRCRAFT WAKE TURBULENCE CATEGORY 10. EQUIPMENT   M20P L SABE2GY/C 13. DEPARTURE AIRPORT TIME (UTC) 15. CRUISING SPEED (KT) LEVEL (FT) ZZZZ 1400 (UTC) 145 kts 11000 ft ROUTE DCT PLL DCT WYNET DCT SMARS DCT RODNY DCT 16. DESTINATION AIRPORT TOTAL ETE (HH:MM) ALTN AIRPORT 2ND ALTN AIRPORT KIOB 03:09     18. OTHER INFORMATION DEP/DLL 4333N08946W 19. ENDURANCE (HH:MM) PERSONS ON BOARD EMERGENCY RADIO 04:09 2   SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT JACKETS     DINGHY NUMBER DINGHY CAPACITY (PERSONS) DINGHY COVERED DINGHY COLOR         AIRCRAFT COLOR AND MARKINGS REMARKS (SUPPLEMENTARY) W/M/GY/B   PILOT-IN-COMMAND ROBERT BELVILLE, <address> <home phone> KMRN

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[Jeff_S]

When you go to the filing page in FF it shows you exactly what route it’s filing. You can edit this right before you file if you like. It’s really quite easy and obvious. And as noted above, you get an immediate answer from FF that the flight was filed and usually a fast response from ATC with route confirmation or any change.

[Bartman]

Try it out on ForeFlight.  File a flight plan you know you may or may not use the next day and see what happens.  Just because you filed it does not mean you have to use it.  If I am not mistaken, I think you can edit you route and condense to Victor Airways instead of all of the waypoints.  

[gsxrpilot]

As others have said, just do it. You'll never go back to filing the old way.  I fly a lot of IFR, and haven't used anything but ForeFlight to file in the last four years. I can't imagine going back to the old way of filing via telephone.

[midlifeflyer]

As others said, it’s dirt simple. Create your route and file it. So long as you’ve set up the other flightbplan parameters - arecraft, equioment, pilot - FF will take care of proper Liedos filing. In addition to confirmation of filing, shortly before the flight itself, you will get an "expected clearance” you can pop right into the flight plan.

You can also use the Route Advisor in FF to help select a commonly cleared routing to increase the chances of "cleared as filed." 

Even when FF’s Route Advisor was an infant and not as good, I’d file with FF because of the simplicity.

 

[Bartman]

Just drink the Coolaid. Come on in the water is fine....

[DMJones]

I file IFR exclusively, unless I'm only doing a local in the pattern.  It's a LOT easier to cancel than it is to try and pick up an IFR clearance if the weather deteriorates...

I also file direct almost all the time.  I let the FAA put me on a route, if they need me on a route.  That way, I'm likely to get the most direct routing possible, and it avoids me choosing a route that's more convoluted than needed.  

Having said that, I file with Foreflight every time.  I pick the route, get the briefing, check the weather, file, and go.  It's easy and awesome.  

[gsengle]

You don't always get what you request, but why wouldn't you request what ya want?


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[RobertE]

  On 9/23/2017 at 2:20 AM, Bob_Belville said:

I use Garmin Pilot to plan and to file (through Leidos) but I suspect FF will be very similar. This came acknowledgement was emailed to me shortly after I filed it.I'm not positive that this plan included airway segments but I think airways are converted to waypoints.

We have successfully filed your flight plan departing from DLL and arriving at KIOB with the scheduled departure time of 09:00 (CDT) on Saturday, Jul 29, 2017 and an estimated enroute time of 03:09.  Submission response: Your flight plan has been successfully filed with Leidos Flight Services FORM TYPE 7. AIRCRAFT IDENTIFICATION 8. FLIGHT RULES TYPE OF FLIGHT ICAO N943RW IFR G 9. NUMBER (AIRCRAFT) TYPE OF AIRCRAFT WAKE TURBULENCE CATEGORY 10. EQUIPMENT   M20P L SABE2GY/C 13. DEPARTURE AIRPORT TIME (UTC) 15. CRUISING SPEED (KT) LEVEL (FT) ZZZZ 1400 (UTC) 145 kts 11000 ft ROUTE DCT PLL DCT WYNET DCT SMARS DCT RODNY DCT 16. DESTINATION AIRPORT TOTAL ETE (HH:MM) ALTN AIRPORT 2ND ALTN AIRPORT KIOB 03:09     18. OTHER INFORMATION DEP/DLL 4333N08946W 19. ENDURANCE (HH:MM) PERSONS ON BOARD EMERGENCY RADIO 04:09 2   SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT JACKETS     DINGHY NUMBER DINGHY CAPACITY (PERSONS) DINGHY COVERED DINGHY COLOR         AIRCRAFT COLOR AND MARKINGS REMARKS (SUPPLEMENTARY) W/M/GY/B   PILOT-IN-COMMAND ROBERT BELVILLE, <address> <home phone> KMRN

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I don't happen to know if all those waypoint define a portion of an airway, but if they do it suggests that if I were to pick up that clearance I wouldn't, succinctly, be told "fly airway xyz as filed" but would, instead, get a long series of direct tos to copy.

Am I misreading this?

[Bob_Belville]

  On 9/23/2017 at 3:42 PM, RobertE said:

I don't happen to know if all those waypoint define a portion of an airway, but if they do it suggests that if I were to pick up that clearance I wouldn't, succinctly, be told "fly airway xyz as filed" but would, instead, get a long series of direct tos to copy.

Am I misreading this?

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I'd bet you'd get the airways, as filed clearance. With my equipment and where I fly I never ask for airways. If I'm in the North East I wind up with them anyway often having departed from an uncontrolled field VFR and when airborne as "943RW, amendment to your routing, advise ready to copy". At that point the GTN 750 and GPSS are worth every penny they costs. Particularly when you've barely raised the gear and flaps, are turning on course and climbing out about 1000 AGL.   

[gsengle]

Also you know all that is happening behind the scenes in ForeFlight is they are sending your request verbatim no different than any other way of filing. The FAA computers/specialists decide what you actually get and send it back into the atc system ready for the right control facility 30 mins before departure.


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