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Buster,

Is there a way you can point me to the book through iBooks?

i was unable to find it.

I am slowly becoming a technical Dino....

Best regards,

-a-

Posted

Sure!

open iBooks and do a search. Or you can click on NYT, Featured, or even Author at the bottom of your tablet. Type the title into the search window at the top and it should find it. If you are on a desktop Mac or Laptop, in iBooks, look for the button at the top for the iBooks store. Once in there, do a search and it should come up.

let me know if you have any more problems.

thanks for your support!!

Posted

Thanks for the support DXB!  I hope you won't need it either. I hope none of us do.

I'll be curious to see your thoughts when you finish it, and why the military trains soooo much for engine losses, even with hot seats and world-class maintenance.

i think you'll enjoy it and I hope it can make us all better and safer pilots!

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So I've been reading this, and am enjoying the perspective of the USAF techniques, especially the whole "wire" concept to determine glide path. I am one of the lucky ones with the synthetic vision that works much like the author's HUD system for using that readout to determine necessary glide path to landing. It works pretty darn well.

I went out to practice glides today, and that was less successful, mostly due to my own insecurity. I just couldn't bring myself to pull the throttle all the way to idle to test the glide. (I have freely admitted I fear turning a simulated emergency into a real one!) And even with throttle all the way back to 9-10" I was still generating enough power to maintain altitude in clean configuration. So one learning I guess is that even with partial power I can still stay aloft.

I did try the American Bonanza Society settings for simulating an engine out in an IO-550, which is 15", 2500 RPM, gear down and flaps 10d, but at those settings I still motored along. I lowered MP to 11" and finally established a descent at 90 KIAS showing about -700 fpm.

One thing's for sure...I'm not used to maneuvering at school such low air speeds. I need to practice more slow flight. Plane is uncomfortably mushy in that regime.

Posted

Jeff,

Nicely done! I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the book and actually practicing some of the techniques! That is what will make us all be better pilots.

Yeah the ABS glide at 15" was always too much juice for Bonanzas too. I'm curious...did you find a setting that replicated a glide for you? Is the 11" and 700 fpm accurate for your Mooney? What is your POH glide ratio and wire?

I'm also curious to hear about those mushy controls and how that relates to your best glide speed. Best glide in the Bo is much faster than 1.3 Vso...so practice glides don't feel any worse than a typical 1.3Vso landing approach.

You've made me proud Jeff! Thanks for your support and for working hard to become a better and safer pilot!

Please throw a review of the book on Goodreads and/or Amazon if you have a minute. Thanks!!! 

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Nate

How many pages is the book? Looking forward to read it.

An engine out F-16 loaded with missiles an a failed FCC is a hard one to land safely. You are better off ejecting. The B777 also uses FCC but has a RAT (Ram Air Turbine) to keep critical systems working. The Mooney is the safest with torque tubing for all the surfaces.

José

 

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Posted

Hey Jose!

Thank you for your support! I really appreciate it.

Since it's an eBook (available via links on my webpage) the actual text is scaleable on whatever device or iPad you want to read it on. When I finished it, it was over 50,000 words, with 30+ illustrations and went out on a 200 page PDF, single spaced. I think one of the retailers calls it a "200 page" book.

Thanks so much for checking it out! It WILL make you a better pilot(o). ;-)

Posted

Hi Nate. Best glide in the Ovation is 91 knots at full gross down to 80 knots at 2600lbs, so 90 is easy to remember. And that is a typical approach speed as well. But usually when I'm that slow I'm also nose down with partial or full flaps, so flying that speed in a clean configuration is just a different sensation for me. I just need to spend more time in slow flight. Hey, we Mooney drivers aren't used to going slow!

:)

Based on the POH chart, max gliding distance for my plane gear up, prop windmilling would be 1.735 NM, so not much different than a Bo, which surprised me a little bit. I thought it would be better than that.

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Good to know Jeff. Thanks for teaching me a little about the Mooney.

As far as the best glide distance and wire being the same as the Bo...that is interesting. My guess is that honestly, gear up, our planes are not all that different in cross section and weight and drag. Wing loading will be different of course. 

Very cool.

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During daytime I just try to reach the closest runway or straight road depicted on my G530AW. At night if not within reach of an airport I will go for a lake shown on the G530W. A ditch will keep me from getting on fire but will alert the alligators, just hope they are allergic to fuel.

José

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1 hour ago, Jeff_S said:

Hi Nate. Best glide in the Ovation is 91 knots at full gross down to 80 knots at 2600lbs, so 90 is easy to remember. And that is a typical approach speed as well. But usually when I'm that slow I'm also nose down with partial or full flaps, so flying that speed in a clean configuration is just a different sensation for me. I just need to spend more time in slow flight. Hey, we Mooney drivers aren't used to going slow!

:)

Based on the POH chart, max gliding distance for my plane gear up, prop windmilling would be 1.735 NM, so not much different than a Bo, which surprised me a little bit. I thought it would be better than that.

Wow, you long body guys really pay the price!

in my C, best glide is 105 mph with the prop windmilling (your 90 knots, but I fly downwind and base at 90 mph), gliding 2 miles per 1000' agl for a 10.3:1 glide ratio. If the prop is stopped, this becomes 100 mph and 2-1/2 miles per 1000' agl, giving glide ratio of 12.7:1.

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Yes, long bodies have a higher wing loading so that is necessarily going to decrease glide performance. Also, with the Hartzell prop you supposedly lose 7% on top of this chart (as noted in the text below). So my 1.735 miles factors this in as well.

Ha! Just noticed that "glide' is highlighted because I had searched on this word to quickly find the chart. There is no significance to that in my post.

 

M20R Glide Chart.png

Posted
17 hours ago, Piloto said:

Nate

How many pages is the book? Looking forward to read it.

An engine out F-16 loaded with missiles an a failed FCC is a hard one to land safely. You are better off ejecting. The B777 also uses FCC but has a RAT (Ram Air Turbine) to keep critical systems working. The Mooney is the safest with torque tubing for all the surfaces.

José

 

Only a torque tube is used for the trim.  The rest uses pushrods. 

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Just now, Jeff_S said:

Yes, long bodies have a higher wing loading so that is necessarily going to decrease glide performance. Also, with the Hartzell prop you supposedly lose 7% on top of this chart (as noted in the text below). So my 1.735 miles factors this in as well.

Ha! Just noticed that "glide' is highlighted because I had searched on this word to quickly find the chart. There is no significance to that in my post.

 

M20R Glide Chart.png

Wing loading, or gross weight has nothing to do with glide distance.  It's just Vg is a higher speed.  Gliders carry ballast for cross country trips to get higher speed. 

Posted

Byron, I wouldn't presume to dispute a professional pilot such as yourself and with your level of experience. So if not wing loading, how else to explain the reduced glide distance between a mid-body and a long body?

I can understand why professional gliders would carry weight to gain speed, as they can also use thermals to get back up to altitude. But when you're gliding a Mooney in an essential one-time descent, what accounts for that reduced gliding distance?

Posted

The airframe drag profiles are similar but I'd guess it's higher windmilling drag of a 50% larger engine.  It takes energy to windmill all those cubic inches. In the notes it says subtract 7% from those chart values if equipped with a Hartzell propeller, for example, as well  

i wonder if this table exists for a rocket with a feathered propeller. 

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