Scrappy Alan's new Mooney

[201er]

[kris_adams]

tail's on backwards

[Marauder]

tail's on backwards

Plus they put the wing on the wrong side of the fuselage.

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[Marauder]

I just noticed as well that Alan is headed to the new title of Corduroy Stinky Pants.

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[jetdriven]

Just like a mooney, except it burns 60% more fuel per trip. 

[MyNameIsNobody]

Horizontal and vertical stripes x2...

Neato.

 

Going to take awhile to get that burn-in out of the cerebral hemospheres.  Thanks for that.  Way better than hanging around in the hospital today while my wife got her first colonoscopy...

I had some good poop humour going today, but NOTHING compared to that photo.

Masterful.

[cliffy]

Heretic !   "-)

[Hank]

After 7 years of Mooney ownership, I finally got the HP endorsement in a 182. It was easier to fly, and to stay ahead of, than my much-lower-powered C . . . .  

[jetdriven]

A 747 is not a high performance airplane.  A T-38, which can climb from brake release to 31,000 feet in 70 seconds is not either.  

Neither has more than 200 Horsepower, nor a controllable pitch prop.  

[cliffy]

Hey come on- I did 0 to 12,000' in 2 mins 56 secs in 757 once :-)

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Hank said:

After 7 years of Mooney ownership, I finally got the HP endorsement in a 182. It was easier to fly, and to stay ahead of, than my much-lower-powered C . . . .  

Hank,

What is a HP endorsement?

Clarence

[Marauder]

6 hours ago, Hank said: After 7 years of Mooney ownership, I finally got the HP endorsement in a 182. It was easier to fly, and to stay ahead of, than my much-lower-powered C . . . .  

Hank,

What is a HP endorsement?

Clarence

In the states we have a complex & high horse power endorsement. The HP endorsement is for "over 200 HP". So, if you get checked out in a Mooney and get the complex endorsement but because your J or older Mooney is 200 HP or less, you don't get the HP endorsement.

A fixed gear Cessna 182 with 230 HP would get you the HP endorsement but not the complex. Alan's retract 182 gets you both.

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[Brandontwalker]

Actually, you get the complex endorsement in a fixed gear 182. It has a controllable pitch prop.

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[1964-M20E]

27 minutes ago, Brandontwalker said:

Actually, you get the complex endorsement in a fixed gear 182. It has a controllable pitch prop.

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If I am not mistaken single engine land (SEL) complex requires 3 things controllable pitch prop, movable flaps and retractable gear.  You can get complex in a seaplane with just controllable pitch prop and movable flaps.

 

 

[Marauder]

You guys made me look it up, from the AOPA site:

Prior to August 1997, the FAA required a high-performance endorsement in order to act as pilot in command of an aircraft with more than 200 horsepower or that had retractable gear, flaps, and a controllable propeller. Many aircraft met this definition and were used to gain the training and endorsement, including the Cessna Cutlass 172RG, Cessna 182, and Piper Seminole, to name a few.

With the changes to Part 61 in August 1997, the FAA changed the definition of high performance and added a separate endorsement for complex aircraft. The definition of high performance is now "an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower." This ruled out numerous aircraft, including many Mooneys (200 hp), Piper Seminoles (180 hp each engine) and most of the Piper Senecas (200 hp per engine).

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[Marauder]

From the FAA:

FAA Order 8710.3E defines a complex airplane for the airplane single-engine land or airplane multiengine land rating as one that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable propeller. A complex airplane for the airplane single-engine sea or airplane multiengine sea rating is one having flaps, floats, and a controllable propeller. A controllable propeller may be controlled manually by the pilot or automatically controlled by a full authority digital engine control (FADEC) system.

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[Marauder]

So, I think based on the latter, a fixed gear 182 wouldn't qualify as "complex" because it doesn't have retractable gear. They use the word "and" instead of "or".

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[Shadrach]

2 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Hank,

What is a HP endorsement?

Clarence

The FAAs arbitrary bench mark for "High Performance" >=201HP. 

For instance:

C182

• 230HP
• 130kts
• 900fpm
• Vso 50kts

Glasair II RG

• 180HP
• 185kts
• 2500fpm
• Vso 63kts

In the FAA's eyes, the C182 is the aircraft that one will need a high performance endorsement to fly...

[MyNameIsNobody]

My next door neighbor was a dentist growing up.  His wife was an instrument-rated 182 pilot-owner.  I flew to their cottage in Hayward, Wisconsin (grass strip on property) as well as to Jean's mom's lake cottage in Chetek, Wi.  Used to ski behind a 30HP boat  .  My friend (Jean's son) John used to curl up and sleep in back.  I had my headset on and was all over "it".  Jean and that 182 gave me the flying "bug".  Sadly she fought dementia and passed several years ago.  Near the end I would receive 5-10 X-Mas cards from her...

Wasp gear Cessna's are not my thing, but you all enjoy.  The fixed gear bird loved that grass and could haul well.  Hers had turbo, but we never climbed into O2 altitudes.

[steingar]

I'll take going just as fast burning less gas.  I can keep up.  The Skylane is at least good at getting big loads off short strips, and the fixed gear models are great on turf.  Then again, I didn't buys traveling machine to land on little turf strips.

 

Still, to each their own.  Good luck to the OP with his new to him airplane.

[Marauder]

I'll take going just as fast burning less gas.  I can keep up.  The Skylane is at least good at getting big loads off short strips, and the fixed gear models are great on turf.  Then again, I didn't buys traveling machine to land on little turf strips.

 

Still, to each their own.  Good luck to the OP with his new to him airplane.

Alan is a flipper. I think this is his latest flip.

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[1964-M20E]

There is an exception to the 97 rules and that is if you flew a HP aircraft before that the you are good to go today from the FAA's perspective insurance requirements not included.

 

 

[Ron McBride]

I have lots of time in HP aircraft before 97, including as a student pilot in 1972 and a multi engine check ride in 87.      I have also had the endorsement added to my log book, just stops the debate. It's easy to get if you need it.

Ron

[Shadrach]

Alan,

What's the useful load on that bird?

[aviatoreb]

One nice thing about those Cessna's is access.  And the 177RG being the nicest one for access (biggest door) and speed amongst that line.

My wife has an older uncle in Boston whom she asked if I could pick up, and I said, SURE!  But then we talked about it and realized it might be almost impossible to get him into my Mooney since he is in his late 80s and pretty slow moving and not at all flexible having had some back surgeries lately.  I wish I had access to something like that for this occasion.