Ipad overheating. Any solutions?

[Marauder]

On a slightly different note...what do you do for glare and reflections?

My iPad 2 also overheated and was just too large on a yoke mount, so I just got a 2nd-hand iPad mini 2. Much better on the yoke, but half the time very hard to read due to the light/reflections.

Are their glare/reflection reducers that you have tried and like?

Robert

Robert -- you can try these.

They come in different sizes and are attached by static. Moveable to where you need them.

I think I got them from Aircraft Spruce.

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[Amelia]

I just splurged on a Ram-mount-x-grip thingie for the yoke to hold my (manly) black iPadMini2, aimed the overhead vent at it, and haven't had a problem with it overheating since, even in this August Carolina sunshine we've enjoyed. Yes, turning the backlight down a little helps a lot. This setup works ever so much better than keeping it on my lap or in the cobbled-together unventilated former yoke mount.

 

Every time I get sentimental about how wonderful the good old days were, how fun it was refolding sectionals that would rip down the creases at the worst time,  when I remember fondly how triumphant I felt being able to get a sensible answer out of that Korean War era E6B, marveled at how fast I could find an obscure intersection for that amendment to my routing on the second IFR chart that was aimed at a strange angle and different scale from the currently-in-use one, I just fire up my little iPad, take a deep breath, and a look at that big, bright picture, and suddenly, I'm over the nostalgia.

[Hank]

I do all of that intersection-finding, E6B spinning stuff with my panel mounted GPS, the same one I fly approaches with. Not being comfortable with only the limited view on the screen, I have a nice chart that will open up or fold down to the desired size, and give me a lot of other information, too.

Why do so many of you have a problem with that? It seems like many of you are actually navigating with your iPad as primary, a frightening thought, especially with all of the various methods in this thread to keep it from shutting down. Kind of reminds me of the threads about doing hot starts on IO-360s . . .

[JohnB]

I have a full sized black (non girly) Ipad which I have on my co pilot yoke and it used to overheat quite a bit, usually on initial taxi, even on days that aren't too warm to me. The two things that stopped mine from overheating were

• Putting ipad on the yoke at the end of my runup rather than at startup (or covering it with something until im ready to leave runup)
• Pointing a ceiling air vent directly at the ipad (this is actually on my ipad functionality checklist)
• Making sure it is as vertical as possible, and not tilted back so the sun mainly hits the top of it rather than the face.

Haven't had it overheat once since I started doing these.

[ArtVandelay]

Why do so many of you have a problem with that? It seems like many of you are actually navigating with your iPad as primary, a frightening thought, especially with all of the various methods in this thread to keep it from shutting down. Kind of reminds me of the threads about doing hot starts on IO-360s . . .

Yes, i use iPad mini, I went on a x-country FL-OR: charts, approach plates I would have to carry would take up another suitcase...GP paid for itself by not having to buy all the stuff and carry it around.

[Amelia]

Most of my flying requires at least one intermediate fuel stop. Much of it involves threading my way through some weather system. I live in a thicket of military airspace. The GNS530w is fine, but the wealth of additional information, all there at a glance,reminds me in fuel dollars saved and hazards avoided, how little I miss the good old paper days. But if I rarely strayed from the local area, even more rarely encountered a cloud, I, too, would be entirely content with a sectional chart in my lap.

[midlifeflyer]

 It seems like many of you are actually navigating with your iPad as primary

 

I really have not seen any indication in the thread of people using an iPad for primary navigation, at least in the way the FAA uses the term (which does not include using an EFB instead of paper). Can you point to anything  specific? 

 

That doesn't mean there aren't people violating the FAR by in fact using noncertificed avionics, or none at all,  for primary IFR navigation. Just that I haven't seen any indication of that in this thread.

 

iPads overheating (and mine never has in more than 4 years) and the strategies to overcome them are nothing more than the electronic equivalent of organizing paper charts for easy access in flight, so the one you need isn't in your flight bag in the baggage compartment.

[gsengle]

Curious, has anyone ever gotten a false position in the air from their iPad?

Does the FAA have any issue with us using these non certified tools for everything short of IFR nav? And even then, if you're given a vector / heading direct to somewhere what is wrong with using it as the fastest way to estimate a heading?

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[midlifeflyer]

Curious, has anyone ever gotten a false position in the air from their iPad?

Does the FAA have any issue with us using these non certified tools for everything short of IFR nav? And even then, if you're given a vector / heading direct to somewhere what is wrong with using it as the fastest way to estimate a heading?

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For plain vanilla Part 91 operations, the FAA has a few limited issues beyond IFR Nav. The FAA doesn't permit certain permanent mounting options and 91.21 applies as much to iPads as any other electronic device in the cockpit.

 

Beyond that, it's pretty much unregulated for plain Part 91, as discussed in AC 91-78B - Use of Class 1 or Class 2 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB). I think that's in large part because there is no formal requirement for charts to begin with.

 

For Part 91F, 91K, 135 and 121 operations, there are a lot of additional rules in AC 120-76B - Guidelines for the Certification, Airworthiness, and Operational Use of Electronic Flight Bags, including pre-approval and a prohibition against using "own ship" mode in the air.

 

Which kind of leads to your question about false position. I've heard of loss of position but not too much about false position. I'll take it on faith that it can definitely happen since the same issues that would cause a loss of position (some of which affect certified avionics also) can probably lead to a false position.

 

But it really shouldn't make a difference any more than an autopilot misbehaving should make a difference. If we are doing our jobs as pilots, we know it's doing something wrong. We take control, and do it right. In the case of an EFB, with a false or absent position, we still have a map, don;t we? 

[ArtVandelay]

Curious, has anyone ever gotten a false position in the air from their iPad?

k

Yes, I haven't tried this in a while but when I had GP and another GPS app (can't recall name, it records your flight and displays it in 3D) both running my position wouldn't update properly, it would be erratic and jump positions.

[gsengle]

How about from the main reputable programs like garmin and foreflight

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[Deb]

Yes, I haven't tried this in a while but when I had GP and another GPS app (can't recall name, it records your flight and displays it in 3D) both running my position wouldn't update properly, it would be erratic and jump positions.

CloudAhoy?

[ArtVandelay]

CloudAhoy?

That's it.

[PMcClure]

Curious, has anyone ever gotten a false position in the air from their iPad?

Does the FAA have any issue with us using these non certified tools for everything short of IFR nav? And even then, if you're given a vector / heading direct to somewhere what is wrong with using it as the fastest way to estimate a heading?

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Yes - I have gotten an incorrect position on an iPad using Garmin Pilot. It was a VFR day and I was on final approach to KEQY using an ILS and panel mounted GPS overlay. I was dead on centerline with the ILS, Panel GPS and Visual cues. But the IPad had me off the center line 2 miles. It really is a great tool but anyone using the iPad ship location as the sole means of navigation is asking for trouble. 

[Marauder]

I do all of that intersection-finding, E6B spinning stuff with my panel mounted GPS, the same one I fly approaches with. Not being comfortable with only the limited view on the screen, I have a nice chart that will open up or fold down to the desired size, and give me a lot of other information, too.

Why do so many of you have a problem with that? It seems like many of you are actually navigating with your iPad as primary, a frightening thought, especially with all of the various methods in this thread to keep it from shutting down. Kind of reminds me of the threads about doing hot starts on IO-360s . . .

Hank -- as a former member of the paper brigade, I don't think there is anything wrong with paper charts or you using them.

That stated, I want you to know that I use my iPad all the time for primary navigation! Whether it is for VFR or IFR it is the source of the charts I use! I don't however use the little GPS driven airplane or the fake panel as the primary mechanism for navigation. That I leave for the panel mounted stuff.

The advantage of the EFB is the access to a whole array of information that would require some paper wrangling if I did it using a chart. Instead of pressing the iPad screen and getting the usage altitudes of a restricted airspace, I would be forced to look for it on the margins of the chart.

Yeah, there is some risk with the iPad shutting down but not much more than trying to reach for the stupid VFR chart I left on the rear seat directly behind me.

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[midlifeflyer]

Hank -- as a former member of the paper brigade, I don't think there is anything wrong with paper charts or you using them.

That stated, I want you to know that I use my iPad all the time for primary navigation! Whether it is for VFR or IFR it is the source of the charts I use! I don't however use the little GPS driven airplane or the fake panel as the primary mechanism for navigation. That I leave for the panel mounted stuff.

 

That was kind of my issue - the FAA uses "primary navigation" when referring to systems in a pretty specific way. Once we start genericizing it, it adds a level of confusion to the discussion since we are not necessarily speaking a common language. Just like you, I use an EFB. I have had no paper charts in the cockpit for about 4 years. now. But even you and I I do the exact same thing as you, I do not use my EFB for "primary navigation." Semantics do count.

 

In the days when there was only paper and no GPS IFR "primary navigation" was by certified navaid or radar vectoring. VFR "primary navigation" used those but also added dead (ded if you prefer) reckoning and pilotage.  Maps were maps and charts were charts - just information to assist with situational awareness.

 

Even with the advent of certified GPS, the moving map wasn't considered "primary navigation." The FAA Advanced Avionics Handbook even cautions against the "Common Error: Using the Moving Map as a Primary Navigation Instrument" 

 

The point is that there is really no difference at all between using paper charts and charts in an EFB other than the medium in which they are contained.

[Amelia]

There WAS one time not long ago I used the GPS as primary navigation. I had just departed (IFR in VFR conditions) from a suburban DC airport. Dialed in heading 180, and zoomed into the sky. "58H, confirm heading 180?" "Roger," said I, with another glance at the HSI, "180" That's when I looked up to see the Washington Monument and the Capitol growing alarmingly larger. Something was wrong with the picture out front. Seems I had a DG failure, and the precessing compass didn't help at all. Ooops. Confessed my problem in a squeaky voice, ignored the useless HSI, and let Messers iPad and Garmin get me back on course. Slapped a sticky note over the offending instrument, thanked the very nice controller for not calling the dogs out after me, and enjoyed a pleasant ride home in severe clear VFR. It was SO nice to have the little airplane on the chart to orient myself.

[ryoder]

I do all of that intersection-finding, E6B spinning stuff with my panel mounted GPS, the same one I fly approaches with. Not being comfortable with only the limited view on the screen, I have a nice chart that will open up or fold down to the desired size, and give me a lot of other information, too.

Why do so many of you have a problem with that? It seems like many of you are actually navigating with your iPad as primary, a frightening thought, especially with all of the various methods in this thread to keep it from shutting down. Kind of reminds me of the threads about doing hot starts on IO-360s . . .

I fly VOR to VOR and on airways when possible precisely for this reason. And I only fly day vfr. I almost never go GPS direct anywhere and instead use dead reckoning and pilotage with GPS as situational awareness. Of course I fly under 10k and mainly for fun.

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[ryoder]

Yes - I have gotten an incorrect position on an iPad using Garmin Pilot. It was a VFR day and I was on final approach to KEQY using an ILS and panel mounted GPS overlay. I was dead on centerline with the ILS, Panel GPS and Visual cues. But the IPad had me off the center line 2 miles. It really is a great tool but anyone using the iPad ship location as the sole means of navigation is asking for trouble.

I wonder if the GDL39 would remedy this?

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[PMcClure]

I wonder if the GDL39 would remedy this?

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Not sure, I was using a Bad Elf receiver at the time. 

 

I am definitely a iPad fan. But just I am not ready to just start following the magenta line and ignore the instruments. The iPad is part of the picture but better than paper in my opinion. And it has an E6B, weather, traffic and a host of other tools. What's not to like?

[Danb]

Hank I'm definitely not going to beat you up but...on all my trips I still do my trip kits as I did for decades no sense getting into our age on my birthday, but honestly I have not referred to them for at least 5 yrs., I do fly with 2 iPads, a 696 and certified G1000 with charts so I assume I have overkill in the planning dept., but it's hard to break old traits like my flight planning with yellow ,green and orange lines all over the place in order or flight..but I after all the hrs.of preparation don't use them, I most likely won't change..neither will you..that's ok we fly to our own level of comfort of which I respect you for..

Keep the wheels down

Dan

[gsxrpilot]

The only paper chart I use anymore is this one... http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/charts-and-maps/all-other-charts/laminated-vfr-wall-planning-chart.html

 

It's on the wall in my home office. A 12" straight edge equals an easy 3 hour flight in the Mooney.

 

Everything carried in the plane is electronic.