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[ryoder]

They were career pilots but I think Mooneys trainer is for them. Interesting anthropology theory. I definitely belong t o the explorer and pioneer dna family. Great grandfather served with Washington.

[DaV8or]

Encouraging but how many were airplane owners? Most of the foreign students are learning to fly as a career but not to purchase an airplane. What Mooney needs is buyers. 

 

Have you ask how come GA flying is more popular in Australia than in China. After all Australia has only 22M inhabitants vs 1.2B in China. And China is older than Australia by several thousand years. And how come in the Americas the most popular languages are English and Spanish but not Chinese. The root reason for this is in the DNA. Western Europeans (England, Spain, Portugal) were curious about what lies beyond the sea horizon. But other much older cultures such as those in Africa had no interest in travelling beyond the coast lines. Those that ventured beyond the horizon left their footprints in the form of language and religion. And also left their exploration DNA factor in their offspring. So it is natural for those descendant of these explorers to seek and enjoy travelling. And there is a big difference in travelling by airline vs on your own plane alone over the ocean, "the explorer DNA factor". My two cents of anthropology analysis.

 

José 

 

Close, I suspect, but has less to do with DNA and more to do with culture. More nurture and less nature.

[ryoder]

Add a couple more greats.

[fantom]

Add a couple more greats.

That's great

[Marauder]

Really great.

[fantom]

Be very careful of GREAT whites:

 

[TabulaRasa]

I have never met a Chinese plane owner, but a lot Hispanic plane owners (three are hangar neighbors). You would think that would be much easier to own and fly a plane by a Chinese in the US than in China. For the Chinese just to use the G1000 they will need to learn English which is very different than Chinese (there is no spelling alphabet but over 2,000 non phonetic symbols).

 

José

 

Then you've never met me.  It is easier to have an owner-flown small airplane in the USA rather than in China.  It is probably about the same if you can afford to have type rated pilots on your payroll and a Gulfstream, Embraer, or Cessna, etc. jet in your hangar.

[TabulaRasa]

Encouraging but how many were airplane owners? Most of the foreign students are learning to fly as a career but not to purchase an airplane. What Mooney needs is buyers. 

 

Have you ask how come GA flying is more popular in Australia than in China. After all Australia has only 22M inhabitants vs 1.2B in China. And China is older than Australia by several thousand years. And how come in the Americas the most popular languages are English and Spanish but not Chinese. The root reason for this is in the DNA. Western Europeans (England, Spain, Portugal) were curious about what lies beyond the sea horizon. But other much older cultures such as those in Africa had no interest in travelling beyond the coast lines. Those that ventured beyond the horizon left their footprints in the form of language and religion. And also left their exploration DNA factor in their offspring. So it is natural for those descendant of these explorers to seek and enjoy travelling. And there is a big difference in travelling by airline vs on your own plane alone over the ocean, "the explorer DNA factor". My two cents of anthropology analysis.

 

José 

 

 

Sorry, but I don't buy your "genetic hypothesis".  Economic prosperity of the masses is a relatively new phenomenon, most families are still currently first generation car owners, much less airplane owners.  Car ownership was farfetched 15 years ago and impossible 30 years ago.  Owning your own airplane requires another level of wealth but again, it is something that was simply not possible until relatively recently.  Airspace rules have not quite caught up to economic realities yet.  There are no VFR flights where you can just takeoff and go somewhere without talking to anyone or filing anything.  Infrastructure is not there either--there are many large jet airports but almost no small airports like you see in the US with only <3000 to 5000ft. runways.  Airline and high speed rail travel is commonplace so there is less need for private air travel in China.  Most of the US municipal airport infrastructure was built before the completion of the Interstate Highway system and today is just barely viable anyway, but that is a different discussion...

 

China was the world's richest nation for most of recorded human history and had massive trading fleets up until the 15th century.  If anything, China suffered from a "high equilibrium trap" and Chinese rulers were self-satisfied in their large territories and rich treasuries and did not feel the need to amass more.  Quite a contrast to Europe where 3-5 major powers were constantly at war and exploring to find a faster trade route to China in order to become wealthy.  Finding and exploiting the New World was merely a happy coincidence.  By the early 19th century, China still had a 15th century army and China was easily defeated in every conflict.  Only now, 200 years later is China once again wealthy enough where people can begin to fathom the idea of buying their own Mooney airplane for travel or pleasure.

[DaveAnderson]

Sorry, but I don't buy your "genetic hypothesis". Economic prosperity of the masses is a relatively new phenomenon, most families are still currently first generation car owners, much less airplane owners. Car ownership was farfetched 15 years ago and impossible 30 years ago. Owning your own airplane requires another level of wealth but again, it is something that was simply not possible until relatively recently. Airspace rules have not quite caught up to economic realities yet. There are no VFR flights where you can just takeoff and go somewhere without talking to anyone or filing anything. Infrastructure is not there either--there are many large jet airports but almost no small airports like you see in the US with only <3000 to 5000ft. runways. Airline and high speed rail travel is commonplace so there is less need for private air travel in China. Most of the US municipal airport infrastructure was built before the completion of the Interstate Highway system and today is just barely viable anyway, but that is a different discussion...

China was the world's richest nation for most of recorded human history and had massive trading fleets up until the 15th century. If anything, China suffered from a "high equilibrium trap" and Chinese rulers were self-satisfied in their large territories and rich treasuries and did not feel the need to amass more. Quite a contrast to Europe where 3-5 major powers were constantly at war and exploring to find a faster trade route to China in order to become wealthy. Finding and exploiting the New World was merely a happy coincidence. By the early 19th century, China still had a 15th century army and China was easily defeated in every conflict. Only now, 200 years later is China once again wealthy enough where people can begin to fathom the idea of buying their own Mooney airplane for travel or pleasure.

Well said. I lived in China while attending the university of Beijing in 1999 and have been back several times over the past fifteen years for business and pleasure. I've met more entrepreneurs and explorers there than many can imagine. The confidence and attitude of the young and educated working class see a lot of opportunity to do well and many do want to own a plane, but they are also realistic on the governmental restrictions that are in place today, of which many will tell you privately needs to change.

Also, living in San Diego, I can tell you first hand that there are as many many Chinese students here working hard to get their ticket. Sometimes it's a little scary when hearing the radio chatter/confusion, but as a once young kid learning Chinese over a decade ago, I respect them tremendously for even trying. I can't imagine how difficult it would have been for me to not only learn how to fly, but also figure out what the tower was rattling off to me in a foreign language!

Ps...my dad once told me that people who still live on the east coast are much less adventurous than those who live on the west coast, since they stayed where the old family was. He called it the E-gene for explorerers. I told him I must not have that gene since I'm never leaving San Diego! Lol

David

[bonal]

What do mean, I speak fluent English born in the states and those controllers are definitely not speaking English.

[flyboy0681]

From Avweb today:

 

Chen says demand in China is an unknown and the bottleneck remains a shortage of qualified pilots, which is why the company is branching into training.  

 

 

Here is what I said on August 1st:

 

"My take on the whole resurrection of Mooney is the burgeoning need for pilots in China. Right now a lot of candidates are sent to the US for training (I've seen signs in Chinese at Deer Valley airport in Phoenix) and believe they are going to move that effort to Asia. Part of that training will require complex aircraft and that's where their purchase of Mooney comes in."

[chrisk]

 

 

 

The root reason for this is in the DNA. Western Europeans (England, Spain, Portugal) were curious about what lies beyond the sea horizon. But other much older cultures such as those in Africa had no interest in travelling beyond the coast lines. Those that ventured beyond the horizon left their footprints in the form of language and religion. And also left their exploration DNA factor in their offspring. So it is natural for those descendant of these explorers to seek and enjoy travelling. And there is a big difference in travelling by airline vs on your own plane alone over the ocean, "the explorer DNA factor". My two cents of anthropology analysis.

 

José 

 

I have no comment on the validity of this statement, but it is certainly considered politically incorrect these days. --Jose, your not a politician are you?   And I do enjoy the entertainment.