OP ED-"Little Timmy Wants to Know Why Nobody Likes Airplanes Anymore?

[flyboy0681]

It only took 99 pages of going around in a circle with you ... to get you to admit the reality of the "hope and change" by which millions were and still are deceived.

Good "moderate" that you are ... I am sure you were about to post articles documenting Charles Rangle and Timothy Geithner tax fraud records ... Just to be honest and unbiased in your "moderate stance."

 

Hmm, wasn't aware I said this was the most honest and forthcoming administration that we have seen in years (decades?).

 

Also not sure why you singled out Rangel (of all people), since he was sent to Washington since before I got hair on my, well, you know what. Look, for every dishonest or corrupt name you can come up with in the current administration, I can come up with an equal amount of names from previous administrations, but as we know - that's off limits. So the long and short of this is, as I said, this administration is no better or no worse than the others that came before it.

[bonal]

That's because almost all politicians and bureaucrats are self serving and don't care about this country or the people in it. Which is why I say the less government the better. They derive their power from the money that we have to pay in taxes and as I have said and believe we have reached a tipping point where the needy and the entitlement mentality out weigh the producers. Or in simpler terms there are more leaners than lifters.

[flyboy0681]

That's because almost all politicians and bureaucrats are self serving and don't care about this country or the people in it. Which is why I say the less government the better. They derive their power from the money that we have to pay in taxes and as I have said and believe we have reached a tipping point where the needy and the entitlement mentality out weigh the producers. Or in simpler terms there are more leaners than lifters.

 

 

For a minute there I thought Timmy brought down the system.

 

I agree with you that less people in DC is a great idea, but the politician part is written into the constitution.

[bonal]

Yes but if you look back in time you will see where people that went to serve were making a sacrifice did not earn much pay and were expected to return to their real lives after a short period of time never to make a career out of "serving" and senators were appointed by congress and not elected by the populace so they would not be able to keep fooling the people into thinking they were doing good. If congress decided to replace them it was done without fanfare or debate.

[flyboy0681]

Yes but if you look back in time you will see where people that went to serve were making a sacrifice did not earn much pay and were expected to return to their real lives after a short period of time never to make a career out of "serving" and senators were appointed by congress and not elected by the populace so they would not be able to keep fooling the people into thinking they were doing good. If congress decided to replace them it was done without fanfare or debate.

 

Legend has it that upon leaving the presidency, Harry Truman paid for his own train ticket back to Independence.

[bonal]

Our founding fathers and many of the public servants of old were a different breed than what we have today and they have created such a cushy rich world for themselves they never want to give it up.

[flyboy0681]

Our founding fathers and many of the public servants of old were a different breed than what we have today and they have created such a cushy rich world for themselves they never want to give it up.

 

Times were different and I'd be willing to bet that conditions during the 19th century prompted shorter terms in Washington. For example, just getting to the nations capital must have been a chore, especially when coming from the west. And since a lot of American's were farmers, their families probably suffered when they were gone. And no air conditioning!

[bonal]

Exactly right, to serve really meant to serve. Family farms businesses lives were not benefitted by government servitude. It was done for the most part for the country and people of ones district. but as history shows as government any government gets more entrenched and empowered it becomes more self serving to the detriment of the people it is supposed to be serving.

[aaronk25]

So I want to ask.....when is the last time anyone heard Obama speak with so much truth and conviction? Was listening to some old bush clips. Really miss him as a president. Sure felt like he was tell you the truth when he spoke.

http://youtu.be/Dcsnv-x0pLY

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[Guest]

So I want to ask.....when is the last time anyone heard Obama speak with so much truth and conviction? Was listening to some old bush clips. Really miss him as a president. Sure felt like he was tell you the truth when he spoke.http://youtu.be/Dcsnv-x0pLY

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I couldn't agree more. Didn't Bush junior convince most Americans and many others in the world that Iraq processed weapons of mass destruction? And as a result lead to the deaths of many Iraqis and the deaths and maiming of many US service personel.

Clarence

[aaronk25]

I couldn't agree more. Didn't Bush junior convince most Americans and many others in the world that Iraq processed weapons of mass destruction? And as a result lead to the deaths of many Iraqis and the deaths and maiming of many US service personel.

Clarence

I wouldn't expect war time not to involve casualties. It's sad but it part of war.

Unless you believe we invaded another country without just cause.

To me looks like a duck....flys like a duck, YEP it's a duck.

It's almost comical the amount of grammatical screw ups GWB made at press conferences but, to me especially when he was pissed off how true the emotions shined through and it was 100% pro-American.

[Guest]

I'm not a student of US history, but I don't recall Iraq having ever attacked the USA, unless of course you're a student of US geography and believe that Iraq is part of Afghanistan.

Clarence

[gsxrpilot]

Holy Cow! I can't believe I'm at the end of this thread.  It only took me all of Christmas to get here.

 

Where do you "less government is better" guys stand on User Fees?  I just returned from a 4 year stint living in Australia where the government provides healthcare but not flight services.  It seems that if one proposes that everyone pay their own way instead of the government providing "free" services paid with our taxes, then naturally you would also prefer to pay for services such as Flight Following, Tower services, Weather briefings, Landings, IFR flight plans, VFR flight plans, etc. on a per use basis.  Maybe the reduction in taxes would off set the costs, but then certainly the 99.9% of the taxpaying public who are not pilots or aircraft owners, wouldn't have to be subsidizing those of us who are.

 

Just asking, please don't yell at me Scott.

[bonal]

As one that understands there are many things that should be controlled and or regulated by govt. And that many of those are services not everyone needs for example I never had kids but have had to support education through lots of taxes all my life but it's nessesary. We support much of aviation services through fuel taxes airport fees etc. The majority of aviation services are in place to support commercial flights as well as military flights. General aviation is a very small part of the work load. As for kids, well people get tax breaks as deductions if they have kids but pay less and they benefit from the education system but I have to pay a higher percentage every year for something I don't use.

[flyboy0681]

I couldn't agree more. Didn't Bush junior convince most Americans and many others in the world that Iraq processed weapons of mass destruction? And as a result lead to the deaths of many Iraqis and the deaths and maiming of many US service personel.

Clarence

 

Gentlemen, let me remind you that the rules of this thread prohibit the reference to any administration prior to the current one.

[bonal]

I couldn't agree more. Didn't Bush junior convince most Americans and many others in the world that Iraq processed weapons of mass destruction? And as a result lead to the deaths of many Iraqis and the deaths and maiming of many US service personel.

Clarence

It's was pretty much the entire international intelligence community that convinced everyone including congress and the rest of the world that these weapons existed. Like with all presidents, Bush was the one who's job it was to present the information to the people and I doubt he just made it up.

[gsxrpilot]

As one that understands there are many things that should be controlled and or regulated by govt. And that many of those are services not everyone needs for example I never had kids but have had to support education through lots of taxes all my life but it's nessesary. We support much of aviation services through fuel taxes airport fees etc. The majority of aviation services are in place to support commercial flights as well as military flights. General aviation is a very small part of the work load. As for kids, well people get tax breaks as deductions if they have kids but pay less and they benefit from the education system but I have to pay a higher percentage every year for something I don't use.

Well said, and while I would disagree with the example of education that you cite, I think I understand your position and can appreciate that.  I don't want to pay user fees myself and will agree that there are many things that can indirectly benefit the general population in very subtle but very real ways and the government is right to collect taxes to pay and provide them.

 

Cheers

[gsxrpilot]

It's was pretty much the entire international intelligence community that convinced everyone including congress and the rest of the world that these weapons existed. Like with all presidents, Bush was the one who's job it was to present the information to the people and I doubt he just made it up.

 

I hate conspiracy theories and so will dread very lightly into this one.  I'm beginning to wonder if even Presidents are afraid of and don't really have the power to reign in or actually control agencies such as the CIA and NSA.  Obama sure talked a big game pre-election about reigning in these agencies, closing Gitmo, etc. But certainly hasn't just not lived up to the talk, but has gone the other way with the drone campaigns, etc.  Even GWB was evidently very concerned about the CIA black sites and torture, but let it go on, grow and expand under his watch. 

 

Does anyone watch Scandal?

[bonal]

Well said, and while I would disagree with the example of education that you cite, I think I understand your position and can appreciate that.  I don't want to pay user fees myself and will agree that there are many things that can indirectly benefit the general population in very subtle but very real ways and the government is right to collect taxes to pay and provide them.

 

Cheers

Everyone benefits from air services everyday ie UPS Fed Ex bringing your goods, want to get across the country and not a pilot drive to the airport and hop on a commercial flight. Don't want that 737 to crash on your house well ATC is there to keep that from happening. As pilots we are using services that are there anyway and as I said we add very little to the load and for us VFR guys well if they are too busy they just tell you unable to provide flight following have a nice day.

[aaronk25]

I'd happily pay user fees for my share of the pie if the government would back out all the other BS taxes I pay and realize zero benefit.

If what there asking is to continue running this gigantic wasteful government costing me upwards of 60% of my income in taxes AND plop user fees on top of the bill......well that's where the liberals can go take a flying (insert proper 4 letter word of your liking).

[aaronk25]

Someone needs to watch YouTube the video compilation of Hillary, Al Gore and all the establishment Democrats, (who had access to the same intelligence) earnestly making the case for war on Iraq. They were all in complete agreement with Bush.

I wish I could have 10 likes on this one....

[rob]

Everyone benefits from air services everyday ie UPS Fed Ex bringing your goods, want to get across the country and not a pilot drive to the airport and hop on a commercial flight. Don't want that 737 to crash on your house well ATC is there to keep that from happening. As pilots we are using services that are there anyway and as I said we add very little to the load and for us VFR guys well if they are too busy they just tell you unable to provide flight following have a nice day.

If you fly commercial, you pay a tax. You benefit from it and you pay for it.

If you ship a package Via an Air Carrier, you pay them and they pay a tax. You benefit from it and you pay for it.

Otherwise, what you mention sounds sort of like socialism? Some people need it so everyone can use it for free? Isn't that redistribution of wealth? Isn't that how Scotty gets his third-hand Porsche from Iowa to Wisconsin to cheer on the State school he supports?

[aaronk25]

If you fly commercial, you pay a tax. You benefit from it and you pay for it.

If you ship a package Via an Air Carrier, you pay them and they pay a tax. You benefit from it and you pay for it.

Otherwise, what you mention sounds sort of like socialism? Some people need it so everyone can use it for free? Isn't that redistribution of wealth? Isn't that how Scotty gets his third-hand Porsche from Iowa to Wisconsin to cheer on the State school he supports?

Oh boy Rob is back.....his name is Scott not Scotty. He does not work on Star Trek Enterprise.

[bonal]

DUH! That's the whole point of this entire discussion there are many examples of socialism in this country already the problem is they are becoming more common more expected more expensive and more intrusive

[flyboy0681]

Someone needs to watch YouTube the video compilation of Hillary, Al Gore and all the establishment Democrats, (who had access to the same intelligence) earnestly making the case for war on Iraq. They were all in complete agreement with Bush.

 

I believe that Bush thought there was a chemical weapons program going on, but he clearly came into office with a mandate to get rid of Saddam. And it has been documented that Cheney met with intelligence officials and had them embellish some of the "evidence" to make for a stronger case. The one person whom I felt sorry for was Colin Powell, an upstanding American who was fed this misinformation and presented it to the world in the form of a UN speech. 

 

I've always felt that Bush had his heart in the right place and was a pretty good guy on a personal level, but even he didn't follow through or take action on certain things. One item that stands out was that he said he would fire the person who outed Valerie Plame, and we all know that didn't happen. Now don't get me started on that miserable (insert your own 3 or 4 letters here) called Cheney.