jasong Posted April 4, 2014 Report Posted April 4, 2014 All - wanted to reach out to the collective and see if anyone could help make sure an interior quote we've received is complete in terms of what an "average/typical" (yes, I know those are very subjective terms) interior should include. My partners and I have never been through an interior project and want to be aware of any gottchas or know about items we've missed that should be included. So far the quote contains: -Stripping of existing plastic paint -Covering the plastic with fabric -Covering the glareshield -Reweb seatbelts -Seat upholstery and new headrests -Wall kick panels -Carpet -New door seals -Full soundproofing Thoughts/comments appreciated! Thanks! Quote
KSMooniac Posted April 4, 2014 Report Posted April 4, 2014 I'm not sure why the plastic panels would need any paint stripped, unless it is failing (perhaps it is). Why spend money on that if you're just going to cover it anyway? I would get the seat foam replaced with modern materials that are far superior to whatever Mooney used long ago. I would skip whatever "full soundproofing" is and just make sure you have the proper/modern closed cell insulation. Soundproofing can add a LOT of dead weight and eat away at your useful load. Spend that money on ANR headsets or good in-ear headsets like the Halo instead...you need a headset anyway. Make sure the seat belts have the proper TSO tags, and that you have the proper certs for all of the raw material being used on the job. Quote
orionflt Posted April 4, 2014 Report Posted April 4, 2014 Scott, I agree completely with everything but the I would sound proof the firewall and the panels in front of of the windshield, that little bit makes a big difference. regular closed cell insulation on the rest works great. Jasong, not sure what model you have but take a look at the rudder pedal boots and if you have a johnson bar the boot around that. Quote
Hank Posted April 4, 2014 Report Posted April 4, 2014 Are you doing anything to the ceiling, especially the recessed pieces behind the front seats and around the hat shelf? Trim around the windows? New windlace around the door and baggage hatch? What's being done to the baggage hatch? Just some ideas and questions. Quote
LANCECASPER Posted April 5, 2014 Report Posted April 5, 2014 Instead of fabric covering on the Royalite panels I would go with the Ultraleather. Having had both, the Ultraleather adheres much better with the adhesive they use and when it gets soiled cleans up much easier. Quote
mike_elliott Posted April 5, 2014 Report Posted April 5, 2014 Instead of fabric covering on the Royalite panels I would go with the Ultraleather. Having had both, the Ultraleather adheres much better with the adhesive they use and when it gets soiled cleans up much easier. Personally, I would go with Bruce Jaeger's spatial interior panels (oh wait, I did!) I can remove my entire interior sans window surrounds in 10 minutes for easy maintenance. They use automotive style hidden double locks, and it looks great. It took about 16 man hours to install but the results are nice. I reconditioned my existing window surrounds, repaired the cracks and repainted using SEM paint and they now look great. But be warned....this is a domino type thing. Just today at SunNFun, I found myself ordering new carpet from Airtex because my really not so bad carpet was now the only thing that looks, well, less than new.... (Sorry I missed you at the press conference, Lancecasper...) 1 Quote
tomn Posted April 5, 2014 Report Posted April 5, 2014 Is it legal to use any Ultraleather? I don't know what certifications you need to have for it. I've had one person tell me you don't need to use certified materials for a part 91 use airplane. Is this correct? Also, anyone know the best source for Ultraleather? Tom Quote
mike_elliott Posted April 5, 2014 Report Posted April 5, 2014 Is it legal to use any Ultraleather? I don't know what certifications you need to have for it. I've had one person tell me you don't need to use certified materials for a part 91 use airplane. Is this correct? Also, anyone know the best source for Ultraleather? Tom It is my understanding you still have to have burn tests done on part 91. I have asked this question to a number of different disinterested sources and they all say it pertains to part 91 also. Quote
KSMooniac Posted April 5, 2014 Report Posted April 5, 2014 It is governed by the original cert basis, CAR 3, which doesn't require it. Still a great idea, though. I have some white and nearly white/cream ultraleather for sale. Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk Quote
LANCECASPER Posted April 5, 2014 Report Posted April 5, 2014 Is it legal to use any Ultraleather? I don't know what certifications you need to have for it. I've had one person tell me you don't need to use certified materials for a part 91 use airplane. Is this correct? Also, anyone know the best source for Ultraleather? Tom Mooney used Ultraleather on the panels in my '97 Encore. Obviously it met the burn test requirement. AeroComfort in San Antonio uses ultraleather when they cover Royalite panels.(see attached pricelist from them) Aero Comfort PriceList (1-2-14).pdf Quote
cliffy Posted April 11, 2014 Report Posted April 11, 2014 The fabric fire requirements are contained in FAR 43.13-1B Chapter 10 Section 4 Cabin Interior For CAR 3 aircraft (our older Mooneys) the materials must meet "a National standard" for "flash resistant" if smoking is not allowed in the cabin area. If it is, other criteria has to be met. Probably easier just to use FAR 23 approved materials. http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%2043.13-1B/$FILE/Chapter%2009-10.pdf 1 Quote
pinerunner Posted April 13, 2014 Report Posted April 13, 2014 Check out Bruce Jaeger's interior panels first. I'm also planning on them along with a new carpet. Quote
PTK Posted April 13, 2014 Report Posted April 13, 2014 It doesn't have to cost 14K to redo your interior! That's insane! There's nothing magical or particularly difficult about it. You can save a ton of money by managing your plane's interior project yourself. It requires a willingness to spend some quality time with your plane and a screwdriver to remove /reinstall the interior. Find a local auto/boat reupholstery shop and make an arrangement for labor only. You obtain all your supplies along with all the necessary certs for the logs. Bring to them the leather, ultra leather, foam and carpeting along with the panels, seats and old carpet to use as template. You'll be pleasantly surprised that you save a ton! I did mine and I can tell you it's worth it. It is fun and rewarding in more ways than one! 2 Quote
triple8s Posted April 13, 2014 Report Posted April 13, 2014 I had the interior out of my old C model a few years back and went back in with new insulation. I had to remove the carpet and take the insulation out around the Johnson bar, there are clearance issues on the floor around it. If I were doing an interior again I would try to go with leather. My dad was an avid hunter back in the seventies and was into tanning as well he wasn't one to waste a single thing from the harvest. We took some hides to an upholstery shop and had some seats done in the doe skin, was a wonderful feeling setting down in that 67 Mustang after that. Always thought about a plane done in deer hide, but dad is in his late seventies and I've only got one skin left. 2 Quote
jasong Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Posted April 13, 2014 All - thank you so much for your input, as always the Mooneyspace folks have exceeded our expectations! Quote
carusoam Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 PTK's interior is beautiful and memorable! I had the opportunity to visit one day... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
PaulB Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 It doesn't have to cost 14K to redo your interior! That's insane! There's nothing magical or particularly difficult about it. You can save a ton of money by managing your plane's interior project yourself. It requires a willingness to spend some quality time with your plane and a screwdriver to remove /reinstall the interior. Find a local auto/boat reupholstery shop and make an arrangement for labor only. You obtain all your supplies along with all the necessary certs for the logs. Bring to them the leather, ultra leather, foam and carpeting along with the panels, seats and old carpet to use as template. You'll be pleasantly surprised that you save a ton! I did mine and I can tell you it's worth it. It is fun and rewarding in more ways than one! Did you ever do a write up on this? Sounds like an interesting project that many would probably like to replicate. Quote
Cris Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 It doesn't have to cost 14K to redo your interior! That's insane! There's nothing magical or particularly difficult about it. You can save a ton of money by managing your plane's interior project yourself. It requires a willingness to spend some quality time with your plane and a screwdriver to remove /reinstall the interior. Find a local auto/boat reupholstery shop and make an arrangement for labor only. You obtain all your supplies along with all the necessary certs for the logs. Bring to them the leather, ultra leather, foam and carpeting along with the panels, seats and old carpet to use as template. You'll be pleasantly surprised that you save a ton! I did mine and I can tell you it's worth it. It is fun and rewarding in more ways than one! I've seen Peter's plane. The interior is as good or better than a factory new Ovation. He did a spectacular job at very little cost (relatively) certainly at a fraction of the 14K mentioned. Quote
carusoam Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Replete with that new plane aroma and soft to the touch leather as well! I would have been easy to convince I was sitting in a new plane. The IP was sporting recent updates as well Best regards, -a- Quote
mike_elliott Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Check out Bruce Jaeger's interior panels first. I'm also planning on them along with a new carpet. Here is a link to the pics we took during the installation and completion of my F's interior using Bruce's spatial interior panels. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/opdt1p6o8t0er5i/s36gs31rg9/Spatial%20Interior%20Pics 1 Quote
mike_elliott Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Mike, you did an really nice job Thanks Tony, the seats were done sometime in 1995 and still looked decent, so we didn't touch them. I had confor foam put in them about 10 years ago and still need to come up with some good looking headrests for them. The rest wasn't in too bad of shape when I started this project. All in, I have about 20 man hours in the refurb so far, but will have another hour once my new carpet arrives from Airtex, and will probably have another couple in small details with the grey silicone trim in some areas (I really like that stuff, it puts a nice detailed touch to the job). The most time was spent refurbing the window surrounds and trying to get them straight where time and heat had warped them. I seriously gave thought to replacing all of them until Bruce showed me how I could redo my originals and explained how new ones from Plane plastics would take an enormous amount of trial and error fitting. Cost to refurb the window surrounds was about $40. 1 Quote
fantom Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Very nice 'CB' job, Mike. Thanks for the pictures. 1 Quote
PTK Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Did you ever do a write up on this? Sounds like an interesting project that many would probably like to replicate. I'll gladly provide you with all the specific details. Send me a pm if interested. Quote
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